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RickD

11-21-2010, 05:51 PM

As the 1944 Veterans Ballot only contained 1 candidate, I decided to also post the 1945 BBWAA Ballot in this post as well. The first part is a straight up and down, yes or no vote...

Voting for this ballot closes on Nov. 28, 2010 at 7 am.

Part 1 - Vote Yes or No

1944 Veterans Committee Ballot

Kenesaw Mountain Landis

Part 2 - You can vote for up to 10 candidates. Candidates with a * were active as of 1945.

1945 BBWAA Ballot

Addie Joss
Al Simmons
Babe Herman
Bill Dickey - *
Bill Mckechnie
Bill Sweeney
Billy Southworth
Bob Meusel
Branch Rickey
Carl Hubbell
Charlie Gehringer
Charlie Root
Clark Griffith
Claude Ritchey
Cy Seymour
Dizzy Dean - *
Earle Combs
Gabby Hartnett
Hank Greenberg - *
Harry Davis
Harry Heilmann
Howie Camnitz
Hugh Duffy
Hughie Jennings
Jake Beckley
Jesse Tannehill
Jimmie Foxx - *
Joe DiMaggio - *
Joe Gordon - *
Joe Kelley
Joe McCarthy
Joe McGinnity
Joe Sewell
Johnny Vander Meer - *
Lefty Gomez
Miller Huggins
Pie Traynor
Rabbit Maranville
Sam Rice
Steve Yerkes
Ted Lyons - *
Tony Lazzeri
Van Mungo
Waite Hoyt
Wid Conroy
Zack Wheat

RickD

11-21-2010, 06:03 PM

1944 Veterans Committee Ballot

Kenesaw Mountain Landis - NO....Heck No....ABSOLUTELY NO!!!!!!!.

1945 BBWAA Ballot

Bob Meusel
Branch Rickey
Clark Griffith
Earle Combs
Joe McCarthy
Miller Huggins
Pie Traynor
Tony Lazzeri
Waite Hoyt
Zack Wheat

Beebop

11-21-2010, 07:26 PM

Part 1: No

Part 2:
Bob Meusel
Earle Combs
Clark Griffith
Joe McCarthy
Waite Hoyt

Vertigo O

11-22-2010, 02:47 AM

Part 1: No -

Part 2:

Addie Joss
Al Simmons
Branch Rickey
Charlie Gehringer
Gabby Hartnett
Harry Heilmann
Hughie Jennings
Joe Sewell
Pie Traynor
Rabbit Maranville

WilsonC

11-22-2010, 11:57 AM

Part 1:
Kenesaw Mountain Landis. There are few individuals who are more polarizing in terms of their impact on baseball than Landis. I don't know that he was good for the sport. Certainly, he's one of the key figures responsible for holding the color barrier in place for as long as it was, and he was often heavy in his use of authority. On the other hand, I do wonder if perhaps he was necessary for the sport. I think it's hard for us to understand today on an emotional level the degree to which corruption threatened the game. The PED situation serves as a starting point for the comparison. Now, imagine if MLB had incorporated a zero-tolerance rule back in the 70's when amphetamine use was becoming widespread calling for a lifetime ban for the use of any illegal drugs, and the rule was ignored and never enforced leading up to the steroid era. Additionally, consider that while PED use is a form of dishonesty used to try to WIN games, the corruption leading up to 1920 was a form of dishonesty used to try to LOSE games, which means that the effect on the integrity of the competition was more significant. The corruption of the era was, in a sense, the steroid era on steroids. This was not the case of the league being lax in adopting rules against gambling and game fixing; it was a case of the league doing little to enforce the rules. Landis' hand was heavy at times, probably too heavy, but the culture of corruption was so deep rooted at the time that a harsh hand was needed to attack the problem.

I give him a yes. As much as I don't like voting for him, because I think there's at least as much bad as good, I think his impact on incorporating a higher standard of integrity into the game is important.

Part 2:
Harry Heilmann
Charlie Gehringer
Al Simmons
Carl Hubbell
Clark Griffith
Hughie Jennings
Gabby Hartnett

Cathy

11-22-2010, 08:13 PM

soberdennis

11-22-2010, 08:13 PM

Landis-Yes, even though the reasons for a no are understandable, I think he did play a major role in saving baseball when it was needed. I don't agree with everything he did. But I will still give him the nod.
Part 2
Hubbell
Huggins
Heilmann
Traynor
Wheat
McKechnie
Gehringer

Rexington

11-24-2010, 03:32 PM

Landis-Yes. He was a crappy human, but he did have a major impact on the game.

Joss
Simmons
Gehringer
Combs
Heilmann
Beckley
McGinnity
Rice
Hubbell
Hartnett

RickD

11-28-2010, 10:15 AM