Dynasty League Rules and Rosters 2012

[Mudge]

2012 Baseball Nation Dynasty League The official league will be a ROTO league on ESPN.


FINAL ESPN ROSTER: 25 players. 12 active offense: C, 1B, 2B, 3B, SS, MI, CI, LF, CF, RF, OF, U. 9 active pitchers 3 SP, 3 RP, 3 P. 4 Bench. 4 DL spots.


Offensive categories: HR, R, RBI, OBP, SB (note: OBP instead of traditional BA).


Pitching categories: W, SV, K, ERA, WHIP.


SALARY CAP: $260, based on RotoWire 2012 auction values for each player given our league parameters and settings. We will post them here as soon as possible and they will remain our guide throughout the season.


You have exclusive rights to every player any player under contract in your HOME TEAM'S organization (aka your affiliate team) unless said player is already on another team in the BNDL.


Your roster from the previous season (2011) carries over to the next season (hence, a "dynasty"). After the regular season ends, you may NOT add players to your roster unless the player is under contract in your HOME TEAM'S organization (aka your affiliate team), the exception being if said player is already on another team in the BNDL for whatever reason (trade or draft).


On February 15, you will declare here at Baseball Nation a 25-man INITIAL ROSTER, not to exceed $260 according to RotoWire's values for 2012. When INITIAL ROSTERS are declared, the commissioner (Mudge) will confirm personnel and salaries for each team and transfer the rosters to ESPN.


After all 25-man INITIAL ROSTERS are set here and at ESPN -- this should be done by March 1 -- we will have a Rule 5 draft for all players not on a 25-man INITIAL ROSTERS. During this draft, any players on your HOME TEAM whom you have not included on your INITIAL ROSTER are available to other teams to draft. This will be a 3-round repeating draft order. Any player you select in this draft must replace a player on your 25-man INITIAL ROSTER. You will get him at the RotoWire value. Again your team salary cannot exceed $260.


After the Rule 5 Draft, the FINAL ROSTERS are set, The Commissioner (Mudge) will transfer the rosters over to ESPN. From that point on, you maintain the rights to every player under contract in your HOME TEAM'S organization who is not on another team.


A week after the Rule 5 draft finishes (I will let you know the official date), you may drop and add players before the MLB regular season begins, no matter what their value, but your aggregate team salary must remain at or under $260, including all players on the DL.


All transactions will be noted here at Baseball Nation in this forum specifically devoted to this league.

Here are the updated rosters as of Saturday, March 17 at 9:30 AM ET

Mudge's BLUE JAYS
C Russell Martin, NYY - 1
1B Prince Fielder, Det -29
2B Jemile Weeks, Oak - 6
3B Pablo Sandoval, SF - 8
SS Troy Tulowitzki, Col - 24
MI Astrubal Cabrera, Cle- 7
CI Mat Gamel Mil - 1
LF Michael Morse, Was - 8
CF Chris Young, Ari - 11
RF Carlos Beltran, StL - 8
OF Shane Victorino, Phi - 11
UT Angel Pagan, SF - 6

SP Tim Lincecum, SF - 17
SP Matt Cain, SF -12
SP Cory Luebke, SD - 14
P Justin Masterson, Cle - 1
P Michael Pineda, NYY - 10
P Julio Teheran, Atl - 1
RP Kenley Jansen, LAD - 8
RP Ryan Madson, Col - 7
RP Sergio Romo, SF - 3
B Jim Johnson, Bal - 1
B Tyler Clippard, Was - 5
B Brian Wilson, SF - 3
B Ian Kennedy, Ari - 11

TOTAL SALARY - 213

LarryBud's RANGERS
C Mike Napoli, Tex - 7
1B Ike Davis, NYM - 12
2B Ian Kinsler, Tex - 21
3B Evan Longoria, TB - 28
SS Elvis Andrus, Tex - 14
CI Adrian Beltre, Tex - 14
MI Howie Kendrick, LAA - 4
LF Desmond Jennings, TB - 17
CF Josh Hamilton, Tex - 15
RF Jay Bruce, Cin - 19
OF Nelson Cruz, Tex - 11
UT Michael Bourn, Atl - 11
B Cameron Maybin, SD - 8

SP Stephen Strasburg, Was - 16
SP Yu Darvish, Tex 12
SP Colby Lewis, Tex - 6
P Addison Reed, CWS - 1
P Jeremy Hellickson, TB - 2
P Ivan Nova, NYY - 1
RP Craig Kimbrel, Atl - 11
RP Joakim Soria, KC- 2
RP Huston Street, SD - 6
B Jacob Turner, Det - 1
B Aroldis Chapman, Cin - 1
B Neftali Feliz, Tex - 1

TOTAL SALARY - 239

Mr. Baseball's ROYALS
C Nick Hundley SD - 1
1B Casey Kotchman, Cle - 1
2B Jason Kipnis Cle - 7
3B Ryan Zimmerman Was - 15
SS Ian Desmond Was - 1
MI
CI Jeff Francoeur KC - 3
LF Ryan Braun Mil - 11
CF Curtis Granderson NYY - 22
RF Corey Hart Mil - 10
OF Josh Willingham Min - 8
UT Brett Gardner NYY - 9
B Coco Crisp, Oak - 4

SP Doug Fister Det - 7
SP Gio Gonzalez Was - 3
SP Yovani Gallardo Mil - 14
P Ubaldo Jimenez Cle - 1
P Matt Moore TB - 12
P Zach Greinke Mil - 8
RP Carlos Marmol CHC - 1
RP John Axford Mil - 8
RP Heath Bell Mia - 1
B Shaun Marcum Mil - 1
B Joel Hanrahan Pit - 5
B Kyle Lohse, StL - 1
B Brad Peacock, Oak - 1

TOTAL SALARY - 155

WilsonC's CARDINALS
C McCann, Brian,Atl - 7
1B Teixeira, Mark, NYY - 22
2B Uggla, Dan, Atl - 13
3B Lawrie, Brett, Tor - 17
SS Rollins, Jimmy, Phi - 7
MI Zobrist, Ben, TB - 16
CI Bautista, Jose,Tor - 32
LF Crawford, Carl, Bos - 10
CF Upton, B.J., TB - 16
RF Heyward, Jason, Atl - 13
OF Cuddyer, Michael, Col - 17
UT Freeman, Freddie, Atl - 6
B Trout, Mike, LAA - 1
B Adam Dunn, Chi - 3

SP Lee, Cliff, Phi - 25
SP Sabathia, CC, NYY - 15
SP Wainwright, Adam, StL - 7
P Hanson, Tommy, Atl - 8
P Brett Myers, Hou - 1
P Scherzer, Max, Det - 2
RP Storen, Drew, Was - 8
RP Bailey, Andrew, Bos - 3
RP Francisco, Frank, NYM - 2
B Matt Thornton, CWS - 3
B Vinnie Pestano, Cle - 2

TOTAL SALARY - 256

Astrofanatic's ROCKIES
C Buster Posey, SF - 10
1B Joey Votto, Cin - 32
2B Robinson Cano, NYY - 22
3B Miguel Cabrera, Det - 34
SS Johnny Peralta, Det - 1
MI Danny Espinosa, Was - 7
CI Paul Goldschmidt, Ari - 11
LF Emilio Bonifacio, Mia - 1
CF JD Martinez, Hou - 2
RF Michael Stanton, Mia - 21
OF Nick Swisher, NYY - 14
UT Mike Moustakas, KC - 1
B Ryan Howard, Phi - 1
B Dee Gordon, LAD - 3
B Rickie Weeks Mil - 11

SP Anibal Sanchez, Mia - 6
SP Cole Hamels, Phi - 25
SP Dan Haren, LAA - 16
P Madison Bumgarner, SF - 11
P Bud Norris, Hou - 3
P Ted Lilly, LAD - 2
RP Mariano Rivera, NYY - 8
RP Matt Capps, Min - 1
RP Jason Motte, StL - 6
B Johan Santana, NYM - 1

TOTAL SALARY - 253

Num3er0's PADRES
C Miguel Montero, Ari - 5
1B Paul Konerko, CWS - 19
2B Chase Utley, Phi - 11
3B Mark Reynolds, Bal - 13
SS Alexei Ramirez, CWS - 4
MI Yunel Escobar, Tor- 2
CI Alex Rodriguez, NYY - 14
LF Melky Cabrera - 5
CF Andrew McCutchen, Pit - 22
RF Hunter Pence, Phi- 16
OF Jayson Werth, Was - 14
UT David Ortiz, Bos- 14
B Dayan Viciedo, CWS - 1
B Jose Tabata, Pit - 1

SP Mat Latos, Cin - 11
SP James Shields, TB - 9
SP John Danks, CWS - 3
P Daniel Hudson, Ari - 12
P Josh Johnson, Mia - 15
P Daniel Bard, Bos - 1
RP Brandon League, Sea - 7
RP Kyle Farnsworth, TB - 1
RP Sergio Santos, Tor - 2
B Tim Hudson, Atl - 10
B Scott Baker, Min - 5

TOTAL SALARY -217

Magnus Martyr's A'S
C Alex Avila, Det - 8
1B Carlos Lee, Hou - 4
2B Brandon Phillips, Cin - 11
3B Aramis Ramirez, Mil - 13
SS Derek Jeter, NYY - 12
MI Marco Scutaro, Col - 3
CI Ryan Roberts, Ari - 4
LF Logan Morrison, Fla - 13
CF Matt Kemp, LAD - 33
RF Andre Ethier, LAD - 13
OF Carlos Gonzalez, Col - 26
UT Brennan Boesch, Det - 3
B Yoenis Cespedes, Oak - 5
B Gaby Sanchez, Mia - 9

SP Clayton Kershaw, LAD - 27
SP Brandon McCarthy, Oak - 10
SP Hiroki Kuroda, NYY - 9
P Wandy Rodriguez, Hou - 6
P Johnny Cueto, Cin - 8
P Clay Buchholz, Bos - 1
RP Jose Valverde, Det - 2
RP Grant Balfour, Oak - 4
RP Javy Guerra, LAD - 1
B Mike Adams, Tex - 5
B Tim Stauffer, SD - 2

TOTAL SALARY - 232

Outfield Grass MARINERS
C Carlos Santana, Cle - 20
1B Adrian Gonzalez , Bos - 28
2B Dustin Pedroia, Bos - 23
3B Kevin Youkilis, Bos - 14
SS Starlin Castro, ChC - 12
MI Neil Walker, Pit - 7
CI Carlos Pena, TB - 10
LF John Mayberry, Phi - 1
CF Jacoby Ellsbury, Bos - 24
RF Justin Upton, Ari - 27
OF Bryce Harper, Was - 1
UT Billy Butler, KC - 12
B Lucas Duda, NYM - 2
B David Freese, StL - 1

SP Josh Beckett, Bos - 14
SP Brandon Morrow, Tor - 1
SP Brandon Beachy, Atl - 9
P Felix Hernandez, Sea - 21
P Jon Lester, Bos - 12
P Jordan Zimmermann, Was - 7
RP Glen Perkins, Min - 1
RP Jonathan Papelbon, Phi - 8
RP Francisco Rodriguez, Mil - 1
B Edwin Jackson, Was - 1
B Trevor Bauer, Ari - 1

TOTAL SALARY - 258

DieHard's CUBS
C Joe Mauer, Min - 9
1B Albert Pujols, StL - 33
2B Kelly Johnson, Tor - 4
3B Martin Prado, Atl - 3
CI Lance Berkman, StL - 14
SS Jose Reyes, NYM - 15
MI Hanely Rameriz, Mia - 21
LF Matt HollidaY, StL - 20
CF Colby Rasmus, Tor - 6
RF Ichiro Suzuki, Sea - 5
OF Torii Hunter, LAA - 8
U Adam Jones, Bal - 10
B Darwin Barney, ChC - 1

SP Chris Carpenter, StL - 4
SP Jaime Garcia, StL - 5
SP Justin Verlander, Det - 22
P David Price, TB - 18
P Jair Jurrjens, Atl - 2
P Ricky Romero, Tor - 10
RP Jonny Venters, Atl - 4
RP Francisco Cordero, Cin - 1
RP Brad Lidge, Phi - 1
B Ricky Nolasco, Mia - 1
B CJ Wilson, LAA - 11
B Matt Garza, ChC - 12

TOTAL SALARY - 240

Vertigo's ORIOLES
C Matt Wieters, Bal - 5
1B Eric Hosmer, KC - 11
2B Dustin Ackley, Sea - 4
3B David Wright, NYM - 20
SS J.J. Hardy, Bal - 1
MI Michael Young, Tex - 10
CI Brandon Belt, Det - 6
LF Alex Gordon, KC - 21
CF Drew Stubbs, Cin - 1
RF Nick Markakis, Bal - 11
OF Shin-Soo Choo, Cle - 21
UT Jesus Montero, Sea - 5
B Ben Revere, Min - 1

SP Roy Halladay, Phi - 29
SP Jered Weaver, LAA - 16
SP Ervin Santana, LAA - 1
P Gavin Floyd, CWS - 2
P Chris Sale, CWS - 1
P Jordan Walden, LAA - 1
RP Chris Perez, Cle - 2
RP JJ Putz, Ari - 5
RP Joe Nathan, Tex - 3
B Vance Worley, Phi - 2
B Mike Minor, Atl - 1
B Zack Cozart, Bal - 1

TOTAL SALARY: 176

[LVTdude]

I'd like to drop the following players:

Daric Barton, Ryan Ludwick, Aubrey Huff, Aaron Harang, and Javier Lopez

and add from the Rockies 40 man roster:

Dexter Fowler, Rafael Betancourt, Wilin Rosario, Tyler Colvin and Todd Helton

[Mudge]

I'd like to drop the following players:

Daric Barton, Ryan Ludwick, Aubrey Huff, Aaron Harang, and Javier Lopez

and add from the Rockies 40 man roster:

Dexter Fowler, Rafael Betancourt, Wilin Rosario, Tyler Colvin and Todd Helton

I am happy to do that now if you want, but why not wait until the RotoWire values come out at the end of January?

Remember that your roster can never exceed $260, based on those RotoWire values. The Rockies players you mention are yours anyway, so there's no need to worry about protecting them at this point (the only time they are available is during the Rule 5 draft, which we conduct in March).

[LVTdude]

I am happy to do that now if you want, but why not wait until the RotoWire values come out at the end of January?

Remember that your roster can never exceed $260, based on those RotoWire values. The Rockies players you mention are yours anyway, so there's no need to worry about protecting them at this point (the only time they are available is during the Rule 5 draft, which we conduct in March).

I was reacting to this post:

"NOTE TO ALL: Please go through your current rosters as they are configured. http://baseballnation.net/showthread...d-Rosters-2012 Let me know by Wednesday if there are ANY problems. Otherwise, they are set in stone, for better or for worse. Thanks"

[LVTdude]

I'm finding this league a little hard to figure out with 4 separate threads, no main league site, and no posted timeline of events forthcoming. I don't know if Roland feels the same way, but I've got a team in serious need of attention, but I feel a little helpless at this point. I have no idea what players are worth, what players are available, when I can get players (other than trading, and I'm practically begging for offers right now) so color me a bit disappointed so far.

Why don't you have an ESPN site up right now? I'm in an ESPN league and it remains open the entire off-season. There, I can browse through the rosters, look at the free agent list, make trades using the ESPN system instead of trolling through PM's, etc. Here, I'm going back and forth between threads to figure out who is who, and there isn't even a list of owners where I can click on their name to contact them. I tried to initiate a some trade talks with the Cubs by PM'ing DieHard. I had to browse through the website's member list to try and contact him. There has to be a better way.

I'm not trying to be a pain, but I feel like a fish out of water right now, and I want to be able to do something meaningful with this now.

I'm sure this league is going to be fun, but right now I feel like a bystander.

[LVTdude]

As long as I'm being crabby, I may as well introduce you guys to a system we use in all my leagues for bringing in new owners...

We take all the abandoned teams and their players and combine them into a pool. The new owners draft their initial teams from this pool, so they all get a fair shake when entering the league. They also get players that they actually want. It keeps guys from entering the league, finding out they are terribly handicapped, playing for a year, losing and then quitting. And, it keeps the league from looking for a new owner every time the weak team gets abandoned.

I know, you're probably thinking I'm a pain the arse, but I really am just trying to help. It sounds like this league had some struggles last year, and I've started enough leagues to know how much of a pain it can be.

[LVTdude]

Oh, and one other thing. The "new owner draft" is also good for the veterans of the league, as it gives them an idea of what kind of owners have just been added to the league. It's entertaining and informative. One year we added 3 new owners and the guy that drafted first took AJ Pierzynski. We knew immediately that we had a problem on our hands. :wink:

[astrosfanatic]

Well, there is a ESPN site already up and running. All it would take is Mudge sending you an invite and deleting the previous owners.

As to your other concerns, please be patient with us as this league is still a work in progress. We found out last season that some aspects of our league in theory would be perfect, but turned out to be more difficult than anticipated. We are working out the kinks so to say.

The number of threads is a bit confusing to myself even, and might be something we look to merge or down-size here going forward

[LVTdude]

Well, there is a league site already up. All it would take is Mudge sending you an invite and deleting the previous owners.

As to your other concerns, please be patient with us as this league is still a work in progress. We found out last season that some aspects of our league in theory would be perfect, but turned out to be more difficult than anticipated. We are working out the kinks so to say.

The number of threads is a bit confusing to myself even, and might be something we look to merge or down-size here going forward

So, are invitations in the works? It's hard to be patient when you see other guys making trades and you're just staring at a team with a bunch o' crappy hitters.

[LVTdude]

Is anyone looking at me having Daric Barton, Ryan Ludwick, Aubrey Huff, and Aaron Harang and finding themselves laughing right now? Was Billy Beane running this team last year?

[astrosfanatic]

Is anyone looking at me having Daric Barton, Ryan Ludwick, Aubrey Huff, and Aaron Harang and finding themselves laughing right now? Was Billy Beane running this team last year?

Let's just say i am glad that you are in charge now. Our league is better with a good owner like you....

[LVTdude]

Let's just say i am glad that you are in charge now. Our league is better with a good owner like you....

I just went to the league site and clicked on standings. I saw exactly what I expected. This POS team finished dead last in every hitting category. 308 fewer runs than the best team (about 30%!!!) and about 200 fewer runs than the average team. RBI and HR are the same situation. Steals are steals, and can be made up, but this team had half the steals of the best team. Unbelievably terrible. I'm up for a challenge, but this is going to take everything I've got.

It's hard to believe, Mike, but the team you adopted in my friend's 20 teamer, that has 800 drafted players, is better off in 19th place than this team is.

This team o' mine has Lincecum, Cain and Pineda, which is nice, but it still finished in 8th place in K's. I'm assuming the guy must've quit early on and the stats suffered due to inactivity, but ti's still really, really, ugly.

I will see what I can do. Maybe in 2014 I'll be a contender...

[Mudge]

LVT.

I'll try to address your concerns one by one.

1. We have been rebuilding the league for a few weeks now, and only this weekend did the ownership solidify.
2. We have to wait for RotoWire values to come out before we proceed any further. Since we do not know when that will be exactly, we cannot put a formal timeline together. If you know what they are already, please let us know.
3. We do have an ESPN site set up. You have been sent an invite.
4. We might well have done your new owner entry system had we not found guys to take teams. Perhaps we will do that next year.
5. Your point about being at a disadvantage is duly noted. Perhaps a five-round supplementary draft for new owners would even things out. The five new owners can select current free agents in a five-round snake draft (beginning with last place team) to replace five "losers" on their teams, regardless of the value. I don not know if ESPN lets us do that on their site (which is why we use this site).

[Cubs Fan]

Can you give me a link to the league website?

[LVTdude]

LVT.

I'll try to address your concerns one by one.

1. We have been rebuilding the league for a few weeks now, and only this weekend did the ownership solidify.
2. We have to wait for RotoWire values to come out before we proceed any further. Since we do not know when that will be exactly, we cannot put a formal timeline together. If you know what they are already, please let us know.
3. We do have an ESPN site set up. You have been sent an invite.
4. We might well have done your new owner entry system had we not found guys to take teams. Perhaps we will do that next year.
5. Your point about being at a disadvantage is duly noted. Perhaps a five-round supplementary draft for new owners would even things out. The five new owners can select current free agents in a five-round snake draft (beginning with last place team) to replace five "losers" on their teams, regardless of the value. I don not know if ESPN lets us do that on their site (which is why we use this site).

Thanks, Mudge. That would probably make things a lot better.

As far as a timeline goes, I don't need exact dates, I would just like to know the normal flow of off-season events. In what order do things happen, etc. I saw you post some kind of a roster due date of Wednesday. How does that affect the new guys, or is that just something for the returning owners?

Are the next steps 1. getting values 2. making roster cuts 3. Rule-V draft 4. Free agency opens 5. regular season?

If so, I'm assuming we newbies can have our "free agent supplementary draft" sometime after step 1?

Sorry for being a pain, but I want to know everything I can in order to be competitive.

Thanks,

Jim

[LVTdude]

Is free agency open right now??? I just noticed Mudge picked up Cory Luebke.

[Mudge]

Thanks, Mudge. That would probably make things a lot better.

As far as a timeline goes, I don't need exact dates, I would just like to know the normal flow of off-season events. In what order do things happen, etc. I saw you post some kind of a roster due date of Wednesday. How does that affect the new guys, or is that just something for the returning owners?

Are the next steps 1. getting values 2. making roster cuts 3. Rule-V draft 4. Free agency opens 5. regular season?

If so, I'm assuming we newbies can have our "free agent supplementary draft" sometime after step 1?

Sorry for being a pain, but I want to know everything I can in order to be competitive.

Thanks,

Jim

No problem. We're still working on how to integrate new owners into the league.

Here's the rough timeline:

Now: All owners to check their rosters, just to make sure I did not make a mistake transferring the names from ESPN to here. Nothing more than that. We want them here so that when their RotoWire values do come out, we can attach those values, so you can see who you are trading for. To be honest, I'm a little surprised there has been so much trading before the values came out.

Feb. 1. RotoWire values come out.

March 1: We make roster cuts. 25-man rosters. $260 cap, based on the RW values.

March 1-15: Rule 5 Draft. We did three rounds last year. In this draft you can take any player, including those on someone else's HOME (aka affiliated) team if they are available at that time. This is a straight draft in reverse order of last years results: 10-9-8-7-6-5-4-3-2-1-10-9-8.... Your team salary cannot exceed $260, again based on the RW values, and any player you take on the Rule 5 draft MUST replace a player on your 25-man roster.

As far as a supplemental draft is concerned, I double-checked. Only your team and Roland's were inactive during a significant portion of the 2011 season. The other three new owners took over active teams. I am working on a plan to bring your two teams up to snuff. I'll PM you on this.

[LVTdude]

How about free agency? I just noticed you grabbed Luebke to replace Teheran? I know you are throwing back Teheran due to roster problems, but isn't Luebke a guy that should be available to the draft?

[Mudge]

Is free agency open right now??? I just noticed Mudge picked up Cory Luebke.

Luebke and Roberts were not supposed to be added when I dropped Teheran and Morel. I have since taken them off.

[Mudge]

Can you give me a link to the league website?

You need to PM me your e-mail address, so I can invite you.

http://games.espn.go.com/flb/leagueoffice?leagueId=42467

[puhpow]

WOW! What did I miss?

[LVTdude]

WOW! What did I miss?

Short version:

I complained about the new guys getting crappy teams. Mudge agreed. He proposed we have a 5 round free agent draft amongst us to offset the disparity. Mudge said he went to the owners with that idea and they said we could have 3. I've since asked them to go to 4, since some of the players that would've been ours got grandfathered onto other teams, for example: Madison Bumgarner. Mike had said that he would have to give MB back to his original team (mine), but Mudge rules that all players like him would stay where they are.

I don't think it is too much to ask for us to be allowed to dump guys like Huff, Barton, J Lopez and Ludwick in order to pick up 4 of the guys that are available as free agents, especially when all the really good players are already taken.

Waiting to hear a reply on that.

[Mudge]

Short version:

I complained about the new guys getting crappy teams. Mudge agreed. He proposed we have a 5 round free agent draft amongst us to offset the disparity. Mudge said he went to the owners with that idea and they said we could have 3. I've since asked them to go to 4, since some of the players that would've been ours got grandfathered onto other teams, for example: Madison Bumgarner. Mike had said that he would have to give MB back to his original team (mine), but Mudge rules that all players like him would stay where they are.

I don't think it is too much to ask for us to be allowed to dump guys like Huff, Barton, J Lopez and Ludwick in order to pick up 4 of the guys that are available as free agents, especially when all the really good players are already taken.

Waiting to hear a reply on that.

I have sent you a PM.

Please note. I said "Perhaps" we would do a supplementary draft. I then went back and looked carefully at the final standings last year. The Dodgers (now CF's PHILLIES) and the Giants (now LVTdudes ROCKIES) were the two teams that clearly suffered from inattentive owners last season. The other three teams that have been selected by new owners did not suffer in the same way.

As such, a total new owner supplemental draft did not seem to be the answer. I proposed to the returning owners the option for the two teams(PHILLIES and ROCKIES) to freely draft three free agents. The league unanimously agreed.

End of discussion.

[WilsonC]

A quick question Mudge - some of the RotoWire players listed have values below $1 (for instance, Mike Moustakas is 0.12) - are we still going with the $1 minimum (rounding these guys up), or are these valid prices with unlisted players at $0 this year?

Thanks

[Mudge]

A quick question Mudge - some of the RotoWire players listed have values below $1 (for instance, Mike Moustakas is 0.12) - are we still going with the $1 minimum (rounding these guys up), or are these valid prices with unlisted players at $0 this year?

Thanks

Yes, every player/pitcher listed at under $1 even or not listed at all is worth $1, just as last year.

[astrosfanatic]

WELL, let me say that last year when we did values, we did it with 70% spent on hitters (not 65) and then we did whole dollar values, not cents......

[puhpow]

I'm finding this league a little hard to figure out with 4 separate threads, no main league site, and no posted timeline of events forthcoming. I don't know if Roland feels the same way, but I've got a team in serious need of attention, but I feel a little helpless at this point. I have no idea what players are worth, what players are available, when I can get players (other than trading, and I'm practically begging for offers right now) so color me a bit disappointed so far.

Why don't you have an ESPN site up right now? I'm in an ESPN league and it remains open the entire off-season. There, I can browse through the rosters, look at the free agent list, make trades using the ESPN system instead of trolling through PM's, etc. Here, I'm going back and forth between threads to figure out who is who, and there isn't even a list of owners where I can click on their name to contact them. I tried to initiate a some trade talks with the Cubs by PM'ing DieHard. I had to browse through the website's member list to try and contact him. There has to be a better way.

I'm not trying to be a pain, but I feel like a fish out of water right now, and I want to be able to do something meaningful with this now.

I'm sure this league is going to be fun, but right now I feel like a bystander.

I agree with this. The Forum seems like an extra step that is not necessary. That's what league message boards are for. You can send private messages there, propose trades, or whatever. Its all 1 thread, stream-lined and simple. It emails you if you want with trades, transactions, etc. I could understand using the nation thing if we were using some random site that no one had ever heard of for our scoring and things like that. ESPN is a proven site and its free. Like Lvtdude said, not trying to cause problems but this is kinda living in the stone age of FB. I am planning on using ESPN for my side of everything, otherwise you can email me(rolandsneed@yahoo.com). Feel free to contact me at any time. More than likely I will never respond to a forum post. Good luck!

[LVTdude]

I agree with this. The Forum seems like an extra step that is not necessary. That's what league message boards are for. You can send private messages there, propose trades, or whatever. Its all 1 thread, stream-lined and simple. It emails you if you want with trades, transactions, etc. I could understand using the nation thing if we were using some random site that no one had ever heard of for our scoring and things like that. ESPN is a proven site and its free. Like Lvtdude said, not trying to cause problems but this is kinda living in the stone age of FB. I am planning on using ESPN for my side of everything, otherwise you can email me(rolandsneed@yahoo.com). Feel free to contact me at any time. More than likely I will never respond to a forum post. Good luck!

Yeah, I really wonder why we use these boards for league dealings at all. I started a league when I was on baseball notebook, and we would occasionally talk about the league on BN's forum, but the day to day workings of the league all took place on yahoo (then on CBS when I knew everyone was sticking around.)

I imagine it's probably just a comfort factor thing for the guys that use this forum all the time, but it is a little cumbersome.

[astrosfanatic]

Yeah, I really wonder why we use these boards for league dealings at all. I started a league when I was on baseball notebook, and we would occasionally talk about the league on BN's forum, but the day to day workings of the league all took place on yahoo (then on CBS when I knew everyone was sticking around.)

I imagine it's probably just a comfort factor thing for the guys that use this forum all the time, but it is a little cumbersome.

Well, to answer that, we are all active here at this forum, and so it is easy for us to keep track of things here b/c 'here' is where we spend our time. You guys are right about being able to use the ESPN software to do a lot of what our league does. However, it is not possible (as far as i know) to do the draft the way we do it. Plus, with keeping track of the values through an independent site (Rotowire), we need a place where we can keep track of those values away from ESPN. I guess we could post the values at the ESPN site (that would be worth checking into)

I am sorry if this is an inconvenience for you guys, but this is the way we have done things, and i know this league will always be run through baseball-nation. Thanks for posting your concerns...

[Mudge]

I agree with this. The Forum seems like an extra step that is not necessary. That's what league message boards are for. You can send private messages there, propose trades, or whatever. Its all 1 thread, stream-lined and simple. It emails you if you want with trades, transactions, etc. I could understand using the nation thing if we were using some random site that no one had ever heard of for our scoring and things like that. ESPN is a proven site and its free. Like Lvtdude said, not trying to cause problems but this is kinda living in the stone age of FB. I am planning on using ESPN for my side of everything, otherwise you can email me(rolandsneed@yahoo.com). Feel free to contact me at any time. More than likely I will never respond to a forum post. Good luck!


Yeah, I really wonder why we use these boards for league dealings at all. I started a league when I was on baseball notebook, and we would occasionally talk about the league on BN's forum, but the day to day workings of the league all took place on yahoo (then on CBS when I knew everyone was sticking around.)

I imagine it's probably just a comfort factor thing for the guys that use this forum all the time, but it is a little cumbersome.

For one, we are conducting the Rule 5 Draft here on BN, and you would miss it if you are not on board, but if you read the rules before joining, you would have known that, wouldn't you? "All transactions will be noted here at Baseball Nation in this forum specifically devoted to this league." http://baseballnation.net/showthread.php?4384-Dynasty-League-Rules-and-Rosters-2012

To be honest, I think you guys probably need to think about whether you want to make a commitment to the league and the way it is run. As I said in a PM to LVTdude, we do have others waiting in the wings...

[WilsonC]

To be frank, it's a league with a fairly complex ruleset that goes beyond the scope of the software, but it's a ruleset that we bought into. And as our founding members will attest to, it took some time and several of us pulling Mudge back from the ledge before we settled on a ruleset that worked for the participants. We use the board to keep track of any manage the things outside the scope of ESPN, but beyond that, it's a part of the culture of the league. You don't need to become active members of the forum as a whole, but the league is affiliated with the B-N forum. That's an aspect which is fundamental, and from the activity we've seen already, it's been an effective way of maintaining activity in the preseason since that activity is occurring within our community. Right now's almost the equivalent of our "Winter Meetings", and this forum is our venue for it.

As new members, it does take some catching up. We'll help get newcomers integrated as best we can, and will answer any questions in timely fashion, and we'll listen to suggestions, but we're not going to overturn the league's culture. As with any new league it's ultimately up to each new member if he wants to buy into the way the league is run.

[WilsonC]

Quick confirmation: Is positional elligibility the standard 20 games at a position (last year) as per the ESPN standard? I don't think it can be changed, just confirming to plan my roster.

[Mudge]

Quick confirmation: Is positional elligibility the standard 20 games at a position (last year) as per the ESPN standard? I don't think it can be changed, just confirming to plan my roster.

As best I can tell, yes.

Also, just to let you know. I tried to increase the DL to 4, but the settings are still locked from last season.

[LVTdude]

For one, we are conducting the Rule 5 Draft here on BN, and you would miss it if you are not on board, but if you read the rules before joining, you would have known that, wouldn't you? "All transactions will be noted here at Baseball Nation in this forum specifically devoted to this league." http://baseballnation.net/showthread.php?4384-Dynasty-League-Rules-and-Rosters-2012

To be honest, I think you guys probably need to think about whether you want to make a commitment to the league and the way it is run. As I said in a PM to LVTdude, we do have others waiting in the wings...

Hey, I'm not trying to cause trouble. I'm trying to be proactive. You've already mentioned there were some problems with the league last year. It's not that the new guys can't adjust, it's just a question.

I always encourage the owners in my leagues to let me know if there are things they'd like changed, tweaked, etc. Sometimes they come up with some great ideas. I wouldn't expect you to change a bunch of things just because the new guy says so, but there's nothing wrong with listening.

As far as the "take it or leave it" ultimatum you gave me in a PM, I know you were just reacting to what you perceive as whining and criticism. That's understandable. However, I was merely lobbying to better my situation. Maybe it seems harsher than that when you just read one sentence on the internet. All I wrote was "The rest of the league doesn't feel my pain." It was an off-the-cuff statement, and not a very serious one. And yes, I realize you could get someone else to take the team. I'd be willing to bet you couldn't get one of the current owners to take it though, because it is a bad team. Everybody here knows it's a bad team that needs a lot of work. Whatever owner you got for it would be less than excited. Honestly, I think you should be happy that you've got someone who is willing to take the time to try to make the team better, and cares enough about it to ask questions.

If you're not, and you'd rather have a silent owner come in and passively manage the team to a last place finish, then that's fine by me. It's not like I came looking for this league. Mike advertised a couple openings on rotowire and I expressed interest, primarily because I knew him enough to recommend him to my friend's league. I don't want to say I was doing a favor by joining, but if I hadn't known Mike previously, I wouldn't have joined.

As for the comment "I think you guys probably need to think about whether you want to make a commitment to the league", well I think it's fairly obvious we are willing to put in the time. I've been posting frequently and even did the leg-work in getting the salaries from rotowire. If those things are outweighed by the fact that I am going to ask questions, then I'm wondering how much you want a good owner and not just a warm body.

I have to admit that I was getting a little ticked off by some things that were going on as I was trying to get acclimated to the league. Two trades went down while I was still looking at my roster, so I was rushing to get my team set and trade-ready. I only noted two owners with any responses to my requests for trade ideas. Then it looked like some good players were going to make their way back on my team (Bumgarner), and that was squashed with the grandfather clause. Then, as a goodwill gesture, Mudge threw back Julio Teheran, which didn't affect me at all, until he grabbed one of the top players off free agency (Luebke) to replace him. I was then wondering if free agency was open and I was missing the boat, or if the commish was just padding his roster. When I asked, Mudge said the two players weren't supposed to be added to his team. What does that mean??? I took it as, "well, I was gonna take him, but since you noticed, I'll put him back."

Anyway, I didn't plan on this being such a long post, so I'll wrap up.

I want to be a productive owner. I want to win the league. I also want to have a fair chance, and I also want it to be known that I may have the occasional good idea that might help the league. If you want to take the ivory tower approach and not listen to the new recruits, that's your prerogative, but it is unlikely to foster goodwill. Usually when people feel they can't be heard, they grow disenchanted and jump ship. A simple, "Thanks for the suggestion, I'll consider it" or "we thought about that, but we like this" sounds better than- "maybe you guys wanna leave?"

So, it's in your court Mudge. If you want a good owner, keep me. If you want a doormat, feel free to boot me. I have plenty of leagues I enjoy, and don't need one where I'll be a hindrance.

Oh, and my apologies to Mike for causing a disturbance in his league. I don't want any of this to reflect on him.

-Jim

[Cubs Fan]

My team's owner did bad last year!?! Well that just inspires me to do better haa.

[Mudge]

I'll not quote your post, LVTdude, for the sake of brevity, and I apologize for lumping you and Roland together in my previous post.

Roland's post was pre-emptive, as you will note, and if he eschews this forum, he's not likely to have a good experience in the league, if he has one at all. I have PM'd and e-mailed him to this effect. Whether he reads the PM (or the e-mail for that matter) is out of my hands.

You, on the other hand, have been pro-active, and I DO appreciate that -- to some degree. But you are also the new member (and an outsider to our forum, for better or for worse). As WilsonC pointed out so eloquently, we're the ones who developed the league, and in particular the "culture of the league." The culture may be odd (frankly, noting his points, in most cases, it is quite rational), but the journey has run into a few potholes along the way, as I'm sure you know since you said you ran a few leagues yourself, and we've managed to negotiate those pothole in our own -- perhaps idiosyncratic -- way.

We like what we have developed, and it's your decision whether you want to live with that, especially as a newcomer. Do we want your input? YES. Do we want the teams to be competitive? YES. We are doing what we think is best to achieve those goals.

[LVTdude]

"As I said to LVTdude, we do have others waiting in the wings"- not exactly.

This is exactly what was said, in case anyone wants to know...

Mudge: "After taking a look at your teams (both of which suffered from some inactivity last season and thus were not up to snuff), I have decided that the best way to make you a bit more competitive is to have you each select three current free agents to replace any three players you want on your current roster.

I chose this method for a number of reasons. The other new owners inherited more competitive teams that were active through the season. Also, a five-team draft seemed cumbersome."

-My thoughts...Nowhere is it said that this is what the league decided; it is what Mudge decided, from what I can tell. I felt this meant that one person decided this, so I thought I might be able to sway one person. I responded with the following:

LVTdude: "I'm thinking 4 players is more fair, especially since Mike was willing to kick Madison Bumgarner back to me, and you ruled against it." (simple haggling)

Mudge: "3 is what the rest of the league agreed to."

-This prompted a bit of sarcasm from me; right or wrong. Maybe I was hoping Mudge would go back to the group and say "guys he's asking for 4" after I sent this...

LVTdude: "The rest of the league doesn't feel my pain."

Mudge: "Take it or leave it. We have others who will gladly take over your team if you feel that the offer is unfair."

Yes, I am stewing about this. I don't think I did anything wrong. Obviously I'm not in pain. I made an off-the-cuff, sarcastic statement, that I thought might get an "LOL" or maybe a "Hey man, I know it's not the best situation..." Instead, I get a "my or the highway" response.

I just want everyone to know exactly what was said, just in case people are wondering.

[LVTdude]

I wrote the above as Mudge was posting his. It still doesn't change how I feel about what has transpired.

[Mudge]

Let's move on.

Yes?

[puhpow]

For one, we are conducting the Rule 5 Draft here on BN, and you would miss it if you are not on board, but if you read the rules before joining, you would have known that, wouldn't you? "All transactions will be noted here at Baseball Nation in this forum specifically devoted to this league." http://baseballnation.net/showthread.php?4384-Dynasty-League-Rules-and-Rosters-2012

To be honest, I think you guys probably need to think about whether you want to make a commitment to the league and the way it is run. As I said in a PM to LVTdude, we do have others waiting in the wings...

I joined based off of what astrofanatic had shared with me. I have no issue with you Mike and I am sorry for it coming to this. The problem is that you guys are making this way more complicated then it needs to be. You have multiple threads on the nation (that in itself is hard to keep up with), then you have ESPN, then you have the rotowire post, and to top it all off Mudge does not respond to email with questions on the league. I can't and won't camp out on a forum all day and night to discuss things. Just don't have that kind of time. I currently play on multiple websites and have won multiple championships. Been playing for over 10 years now. Run my own privite CBS league. I have been around the block a few times you might say. This setup is way to complicated and takes way too much time to manage, plain and simple. You are right...apparently this is what you guys chose or whatever. I wish you all the luck in the world with it. My advice, just use ESPN and simplify everything. You could still conduct the rule 5 on there or through email. It is 2012.

I am going to respond to the Mudge post above this before I go.

I just got the ESPN invite yesterday, so I was not able to read the rules and understand where these trades, bogus transactions, etc, were coming from. Things were all over the place and that's kinda a problem.

Second, why note the transactions when ESPN already does that.

Third, there is a reason why you are replacing several owners. Use your imagination on that one :)

Last, when I am told that there will be a rule 5 draft, read it on Rotowire, and then read on the nation that Mudge decided that my team was good enough for him and would not be allowed to participate in it. That's a problem and goes to heart of being able to figure out what the hell is going on!

[LVTdude]

Let's move on.

Yes?

Ok, listen. Here's the issue.

These are my very best keeper hitters:

Asdrubal Cabrera
Pablo Sandoval
Shane Victorino
Jayson Werth
Alex Rodriguez

Asdrubal Cabrera is the only guy that might be considered a top 5 keeper at his position, and that might be generous, with Tulo, Hanley, Reyes, Castro and Andrus in the league.

Sandoval is looking up at Longoria, Zimmerman, Wright, Beltre and Lawrie.

A-Rod is 37 in July and hasn't played 140 games since 2007!

Werth and Victorino are nice complimentary players, but they are among many in a sea of complimentary players.

Yes, I have 3 very good pitchers in Lincecum, Cain and Pineda, but everybody has 3 very good pitchers.

I just don't see any way of competing. The best hitters in free agency are guys like David Freese and Delmon Young. The best pitcher is Cory Luebke and there are a few young guns that might make it to the show this year.

Honestly, it is a horrible situation, and you are kidding yourself if you think this team would any shot of placing in the top 7 or 8 teams even if I was granted 8 to 10 free agents. Giving me 3 guys is like putting a band-aid on a shotgun wound to the neck.

You guys have teams that are a conglomerate of the best players of multiple teams...


Fielder, Braun, Grandy, Zimmerman and Tulo
Pujols, Cano, Reyes, Holliday
Santana, A-Gon, Castro, Pedroia, Crawford, Ellsbury, J Upton and Harper
Kemp, Cargo, Phillips, Ethier, Avila, Morrison
McCutchen, Pence, Utley, Alexei, Morse
MCann, Teixeira, Bautista, Heyward, Rollins, Lawrie, Trout, Goldschmidt
Napoli, Kinsler, Longoria, Hamilton, Andrus, Bruce, Jennings, Maybin


I mean, it is absolutely ridiculous.

So, anyway....

No. I can't move on. Get some other dope to take a crack at this.

[Mr. Baseball]

I'll take whoever is available. You can keep your Brewers Mudge, I need to learn to branch out anyway. ;)

EDIT) I'll take the former Orioles.

[WilsonC]

A couple minor adjustments needed to my roster, Mudge: Apparently, Cuddyer doesn't qualify for LF, and obviously CC's an SP rather than a RP. It doesn't affect who's on my team, but you can swap the positions for Fransisco and CC, and Snider for Cuddyer (in Cuddyer's case it's more important, so that I don't mislead people if they want to trade for a LF).

[Mudge]

I'll take whoever is available. You can keep your Brewers Mudge, I need to learn to branch out anyway. ;)

EDIT) I'll take the former Orioles.

OK. Looks like we have a taker. Great to have you aboard.

As a new owner, you get the team you have inherited but you can select whatever MLB team you would like to affiliate with (in other words you do not have to stick with the Orioles as your HOME team). Here. too, you can have the BREWERS and I'll take another team.

[Mudge]

A couple minor adjustments needed to my roster, Mudge: Apparently, Cuddyer doesn't qualify for LF, and obviously CC's an SP rather than a RP. It doesn't affect who's on my team, but you can swap the positions for Fransisco and CC, and Snider for Cuddyer (in Cuddyer's case it's more important, so that I don't mislead people if they want to trade for a LF).

OK. I just put them there quickly, but your point is a good one.

By the way, sjnemeth3 has indicated a willingness to take the Giants.

[astrosfanatic]

did we ever make a ruling on what happens when players go to the DL? Do we have to pay the salary of any player we add on top of what we are paying the DL player??? Or do we get to add a player up to the value of the DL player???

[Mudge]

did we ever make a ruling on what happens when players go to the DL? Do we have to pay the salary of any player we add on top of what we are paying the DL player??? Or do we get to add a player up to the value of the DL player???
Here are the rulings we havemade (and the current status of each)

We are increasing the number on the DL to 4 (AGREED UPON BUT NOT EFFECTED: thus far, ESPN has not allowed me to chenge any league settings, other than owners and transactions)

The roster will at no time exceed $260. (CONDITIONALLY AGREED UPON: what we have not done is determine whether that is the active 25-man or the active 25-man plus the DL. My vote is the entire roster, including DL, but I am open to other opinions)

There will be no surcharge for transactions of any kind. (AGREED UPON)

[astrosfanatic]

The roster will at no time exceed $260. (CONDITIONALLY AGREED UPON: what we have not done is determine whether that is the active 25-man or the active 25-man plus the DL. My vote is the entire roster, including DL, but I am open to other opinions)

i liked it the way it was last year. so, i guess i disagree:wiggle:

[WilsonC]

I'd go with the entire roster including the DL. It's simpler, and makes more intuitive sense to me as teams have to pay the cost for injured players.

[DieHard]

I vote active 25-man

[Mudge]

The roster will at no time exceed $260. (CONDITIONALLY AGREED UPON: what we have not done is determine whether that is the active 25-man or the active 25-man plus the DL. My vote is the entire roster, including DL, but I am open to other opinions)

Current vote: 2-2

WilsonC and Mudge: full roster -- active 25-man plus 4 DL

DieHard and astrofanatic: only active 25-man roster

[Baseballnum3er0]

I'm voting full roster+DL. It is simpler and makes more sense to do it this way as I see it.

[Cubs Fan]

Full roster and 4 DL spots.

[LarryBud]

I vote for 25 but not including DL

[Mudge]

Current vote: 2-2

WilsonC and Mudge: full roster -- active 25-man plus 4 DL

DieHard and astrofanatic: only active 25-man roster

Now 4-3

WilsonC, Mudge, Cubs Fan & Baseballnum3er0 -- full roster (active plus DL)

DieHard, astrosfanatic & LarryBud -- active roster only.

[DieHard]

Is this the final ruling? I just read today that V. Martinez maybe out for the season. If final ruling includes DL, I am curious because I will just drop him.

[Mudge]

Is this the final ruling? I just read today that V. Martinez maybe out for the season. If final ruling includes DL, I am curious because I will just drop him.

Well, we have a month's wiggle room here before we have to commit, but, yeah, I wish we could settle this.

sjnemeth3, Mr. Baseball, and Outfield Grass still need to weigh in. I'll give them a few more days (through the weekend) and then I'll make a ruling.

[Mudge]

Well, we have a month's wiggle room here before we have to commit, but, yeah, I wish we could settle this.

sjnemeth3, Mr. Baseball, and Outfield Grass still need to weigh in. I'll give them a few more days (through the weekend) and then I'll make a ruling.

sjnemeth3, Mr. Baseball, and Outfield Grass still need to vote on the proposal as stated above. The vote is currently 4-3 for capping the salary at $260 for the entire roster, including any players you put on the ESPN DL and their replacements. Please vote by 8pm ET on Sunday (Jan. 21)

Also, Cubs Fan (PHILLIES, formerly Dodgers) and sjnemeth3 (GIANTS) need to complete their supplementary draft choices by 8pm ET on Sunday (Jan. 21). Otherwise their teams will remain as listed.

Again, a reminder: if you feel at this point you cannot commit to the league as structured, please let me know. I'd rather fix it now than later.

[Mudge]

sjnemeth3, Mr. Baseball, and Outfield Grass still need to vote on the proposal as stated above. The vote is currently 4-3 for capping the salary at $260 for the entire roster, including any players you put on the ESPN DL and their replacements. Please vote by 8pm ET on Sunday (Jan. 21)

Please help us out.


Also, Cubs Fan (PHILLIES, formerly Dodgers) and sjnemeth3 (GIANTS) need to complete their supplementary draft choices by 8pm ET on Sunday (Jan. 21). Otherwise their teams will remain as listed.

Thank you.

Again, a reminder: if you feel at this point you cannot commit to the league as structured, please let me know. I'd rather fix it now than later.

[Mudge]

The deadline is has passed, and the vote was 4-3 in favor of capping the team salary at $260 (RotoWire pre-season values) for all players on the ESPN team, including players on the DL.

The next deadline: February 15: 25-man rosters declared (salary cap $260). Remember: This is followed by the Rule 5 Draft, during which all non-roster players are available, including those on your HOME team. So, for example, let's say I choose not to put Yovanni Gallardo ($13) on my 25-man roster on Feb. 15. Even though he is a Brewer, he is fair game (at that price) during the Rule 5 Draft. If he is not drafted during the Rule 5 by any other team, then he reverts to my control for the remainder of the season.

If we can get enough committed owners, we may follow the rule 5 draft with a minor-league draft, but that will be determined by prior events (i.e. activity).

I'm still having trouble figuring out how to expand the rosters over at ESPN (I want to add the new DL spots and perhaps one more bench spot). It might have to do with establishing keepers and then setting a draft date. I'm not sure.

[LarryBud]

After my latest trade, here is my current roster. It is subject to change before the deadline.

Name Position $
Mike Napoli (Ca/1B) Ca 7
Ike Davis 1B 12
Ian Kinsler 2B 21
Evan Longoria 3B 28
Elvis Andrus SS 14
Adrian Beltre CO 14
Howie Kendrick (2B/OF) MI 4
Desmond Jennings (LF) LF 17
Josh Hamilton (LF/CF) CF 15
Jay Bruce (RF) RF 19
Nelson Cruz (RF) OF 11
Michael Bourn (CF) UT 11
Cameron Maybin (CF) Be 8
Stephen Strasburg SP 16
Yu Darvish SP 12
Colby Lewis SP 6
Craig Kimbrel RP 11
Joakim Soria RP 2
Hudson Street RP 6
Alexi Ogando PIT 6
Jeremy Hellickson PIT 2
Derek Holland PIT 4
Kevin Gregg BE 1
Aroldis Chapman BE 1
Neftali Feliz BE 1
Total 249

[Mudge]

After my latest trade, here is my current roster. It is subject to change before the deadline.

Name Position $
Mike Napoli (Ca/1B) Ca 7
Ike Davis 1B 12
Ian Kinsler 2B 21
Evan Longoria 3B 28
Elvis Andrus SS 14
Adrian Beltre CO 14
Howie Kendrick (2B/OF) MI 4
Desmond Jennings (LF) LF 17
Josh Hamilton (LF/CF) CF 15
Jay Bruce (RF) RF 19
Nelson Cruz (RF) OF 11
Michael Bourn (CF) UT 11
Cameron Maybin (CF) Be 8
Stephen Strasburg SP 16
Yu Darvish SP 12
Colby Lewis SP 6
Craig Kimbrel RP 11
Joakim Soria RP 2
Hudson Street RP 6
Alexi Ogando PIT 6
Jeremy Hellickson PIT 2
Derek Holland PIT 4
Kevin Gregg BE 1
Aroldis Chapman BE 1
Neftali Feliz BE 1
Total 249

I'll make the necessary adjustments above.

NOTE: all rosters are unofficial until we "declare" our official 25-man rosters (complete with RotoWire values) on Feb. 15.

[LarryBud]

Thanks Mudge. I just wanted to share my lineup as of now. I feel pretty set with my team unless someone makes me a trade offer I can't refuse.

[Mr. Baseball]

Is there a shortcut way to track the total player value of my roster right now, or do I need to go through my players one-by-one and calculate it?

Thanks for any help,

- MrBaseball's Orioles

[astrosfanatic]

one by one i am afraid. I have my roster saved in a text document. Then, i just use the 'find' function on the Player's Values page to find each one's values. If their name doesnt come up, they are one dollar.

I will do yours for you and post it here shortly...no worries

[astrosfanatic]

C: Matt Wieters 5
1B: Eric Hosmer 11
2B: Dustin Ackley 4
3B: Edwin Encarnacion 1
SS: JJ Hardy 1
MI: Michael Young 10
CI: David Wright 20
LF: Alex Gordon 21
CF: Peter Bourjos 6
RF: Nick Markakis 11
OF: Mark Trumbo 5
UTIL: Jesus Montero 5

P: Jered Weaver 16
P: Jordan Walden 1
P: Gavin Floyd 2
SP: Roy Halladay 29
SP: Mike Minor 1
SP: Zach Britton 1
RP: Chris Perez 2
RP: JJ Putz 5
RP: Joe Nathan 3

BN:Shin-Soo Choo 21
BN: Drew Stubbs 1
BN: Melky Cabrera 5
BN: Ervin Santana 1


Total Salary: 188 dollars

260 is the dollar amount you have to stay under

[Mr. Baseball]

C: Matt Wieters 5
1B: Eric Hosmer 11
2B: Dustin Ackley 4
3B: Edwin Encarnacion 1
SS: JJ Hardy 1
MI: Michael Young 10
CI: David Wright 20
LF: Alex Gordon 21
CF: Peter Bourjos 6
RF: Nick Markakis 11
OF: Mark Trumbo 5
UTIL: Jesus Montero 5

P: Jered Weaver 16
P: Jordan Walden 1
P: Gavin Floyd 2
SP: Roy Halladay 29
SP: Mike Minor 1
SP: Zach Britton 1
RP: Chris Perez 2
RP: JJ Putz 5
RP: Joe Nathan 3

BN:Shin-Soo Choo 21
BN: Drew Stubbs 1
BN: Melky Cabrera 5
BN: Ervin Santana 1


Total Salary: 188 dollars

260 is the dollar amount you have to stay under

Thanks! You didn't need to do that, although I do appreciate the time saver. ;)

So let me get this straight, I can choose from any of the Free Agents right now so long as they aren't property of any of the teams in the league.

For example, I can't sign any free agents who play for the Astros, because you have the rights to them.

Once I have a 25-man roster, I can then choose from any of the available free agents in the Rule 5 Draft to add to my team.

Is this correct?

[astrosfanatic]

You can only add players from your home team's roster right now to complete your 25 man roster.

I have the Marlins by the way (confusing, i know)

Once you have the 25-man roster complete, you post it in the rosters thread.

[WilsonC]

I'm working on a googledocs spreadsheet that will help with this - you can select the players from a drop-down list and it'll look up their value (or assign $1 if the player isn't listed) and if you want, you can enter your projections for the players and it'll give you a tally. Anyone who's interested, PM me your email address and I'll share a copy with you once it's done.

[Mudge]

Thanks! You didn't need to do that, although I do appreciate the time saver. ;)

So let me get this straight, I can choose from any of the Free Agents right now so long as they aren't property of any of the teams in the league.

For example, I can't sign any free agents who play for the Astros, because you have the rights to them.

Once I have a 25-man roster, I can then choose from any of the available free agents in the Rule 5 Draft to add to my team.

Is this correct?

Actually, you cannot add ANY players right now -- except from your HOME team. ESPN free agents (pre-season) are available ONLY during the Rule 5 Draft, which will commence AFTER we have published our initial 25-man roster on February 15 (under $260 cap, of course).

[Mudge]

I have been loathe to publish RotoWire values for anyone's team because there are still a lot of trades going on. While I am monitoring current transactions closely, Feb. 15 is the key date at this point.

[DieHard]

I use an excel spreadsheet and have it calculate totals for me just as soon as I type in the different numbers

[Mr. Baseball]

I have been loathe to publish RotoWire values for anyone's team because there are still a lot of trades going on. While I am monitoring current transactions closely, Feb. 15 is the key date at this point.

When does free agency open up again? Also, am I allowed to release players right now and replace them with free agents from the Orioles?

[astrosfanatic]

When does free agency open up again?

after the Rule 5 draft is completed.

Also, am I allowed to release players right now and replace them with free agents from the Orioles?

Yes. but they have to be replaced by an Oriole.

[Mudge]

^^What he said.

Once again, I urge everyone to review the rules and regulations which are posted here: http://baseballnation.net/showthread.php?4384-Dynasty-League-Rules-and-Rosters-2012/page7

At the same time, keep asking questions. This league is a little complicated, but once you get the hang of it, it's good fun, in part because it's different.

[Baseballnum3er0]

Miguel Montero-5
Paul Konerko-19
CHase Utley-11
Dyan Viciedo-1
Alexei Ramerez-4
Elmilio Bonifacio-1
Mark Reynolds-13
Juan Pierre-1
Andrew McCutchen-22
Hunter Pence-16
Michael Morse-8
David Ortiz-14
Carlos Quentin-1
Yunel Escobar-2

Mat Latos-11
James Shields-9
Ian Kennedy-11
Daniel Hudson-12
Vance Worley-2
Roy Oswalt-4
Brandon League-7
Kyle Farnsworth-1
Sergio Santos-2
John Danks-3
Matt Thornton-3
Total-183

Only change that I don't think was posted is Erik Bedard and Matt Thornton swapped places(will do it on ESPN as soon as it goes back up). Just figured I'd post where I'm at on my roster right now. Pending any affiliation change or trades this is likely to be my Rule-5 roster.

[Vertigo O]

Looks like this is what the 2012 Vertigo O's will be going with to start.

C Matt Wieters 5
1B Eric Hosmer 11
2B Dustin Ackley 4
3B David Wright 20
SS J.J. Hardy 1
MI Michael Young 10
CI Edwin Encarnacion 1
LF Alex Gordon 21
CF Drew Stubbs 1
RF Nick Markakis 11
OF Shin-Soo Choo 21
UT Jesus Montero 5

P Gavin Floyd 2
P Zach Britton 1
P Jordan Walden 1
SP Roy Halladay 29
SP Jered Weaver 16
SP Ervin Santana 1
RP Chris Perez 2
RP JJ Putz 5
RP Joe Nathan 3

B Peter Bourjos 6
B Wei-Yin Chen 1
B Mike Minor 1
B Zack Cozart 1

Total: 185


This includes drops of Ryan Vogelsong and Mark Trumbo to cut down to 25-man roster.

And the also dropping Melky Cabrera and adding Wei-Yin Chen (Orioles IFA signing ... eh, why not take a flier. He looked good in the videos I saw of him).


Just not buying Melky or Vogelsong's seasons last year. Trumbo's had a couple of setbacks this off-season with his injury and I'd just rather not worry about it and cut him loose.

[Mudge]

^^ Noted. When ESPN comes back up I'll try to update it ASAP so that we know which players are available in the Rule 5 Draft.

Meanwhile, the rest of you are welcome to submit your INITIAL 25-MAN ROSTERS anytime. Mudge's BLUE JAYS are updated too, bringing the total to 4 (BLUE JAYS, ORIOLES RANGERS, PADRES).

[Mr. Baseball]

Mudge, do you have any player value calculations for the Brewers?

[astrosfanatic]

I PM'd them to you!! :)

[Mudge]

Mudge, do you have any player value calculations for the Brewers?

And they are all listed here: http://baseballnation.net/showthread.php?4416-Player-Values-2012

[astrosfanatic]

I will drop Angel Pagan and JD Martinez

I will add Drew Pomeranz, Rafael Betancourt, and Dexter Fowler

My final Roster is here:


C- Buster Posey 10
1B- Joey Votto 32
2B- Robinson Cano 22
3B- Miguel Cabrera 34
SS- Johnny Peralta 1
MI- Danny Espinosa 7
CI- Paul Goldschmidt 11
LF- Emilio Bonifacio 1
CF- Coco Crisp 4
RF- Michael Stanton 21
OF- Nick Swisher 14
UTIL- Mike Moustakas 1

BN- Ryan Howard 1
BN- Dexter Fowler 8

SP- Johnny Cueto 8
SP- Cole Hamels 25
SP- Dan Haren 16
P- Madison Bumgarner 11
P- Bud Norris 3
P- Jhoulys Chacin 3
CL- Mariano Rivera 8
CL- Rafael Betancourt 6
CL- Jason Motte 6

BN- Anibal Sanchez 6
BN- Drew Pomeranz 1


Grand Total: 260 dollars :)

[Mudge]

^^I hope no one goes on the DL soon. Remember they are a part of your $260. That was the vote (4-3 with 3 abstaining).

[OutfieldGrass]

I'd like to drop James McDonald and add Danny Hultzen from the Mariners 40 man roster.

[Vertigo O]

C- Buster Posey 10
1B- Joey Votto 32
2B- Robinson Cano 22
3B- Miguel Cabrera 34
RF- Michael Stanton 21
UTIL- Mike Moustakas 1
SP- Cole Hamels 25
SP- Dan Haren 16
P- Madison Bumgarner 11
Grand Total: 260 dollars :)


Feel free to send me any of the above if you'd like to trim some of that salary :)

[Vertigo O]

C- Buster Posey 10
1B- Joey Votto 32
2B- Robinson Cano 22
3B- Miguel Cabrera 34
RF- Michael Stanton 21
UTIL- Mike Moustakas 1
SP- Cole Hamels 25
SP- Dan Haren 16
P- Madison Bumgarner 11
Grand Total: 260 dollars :)


Feel free to send me any of the above if you'd like to trim some of that salary :)

[WilsonC]

Adding Shelby Miller to replace Teheran.

Also dropping Snider for Wainwright.

Current Cardinals roster:
C - McCann, Brian (ATL) - 7
1B - Teixeira, Mark (NY-A) - 22
2B - Uggla, Dan (ATL) - 13
3B - Lawrie, Brett (TOR) - 17
SS - Rollins, Jimmy (PHI) - 7
MI - Zobrist, Ben (TB) - 16
CI - Bautista, Jose (TOR) - 32
LF - Crawford, Carl (BOS) - 10
CF - Upton, B.J. (TB) - 16
RF - Heyward, Jason (ATL) - 13
OF - Cuddyer, Michael (COL) - 16
DH - Freeman, Freddie (ATL) - 6

B - Trout, Mike (LAA) - 1
B - Soto, Geovany (CHC) - 1

SP - Lee, Cliff (PHI) - 25
SP - Sabathia, CC (NY-A) - 15
SP - Wainwright, Adam (STL) - 7
RP - Storen, Drew (WAS) - 8
RP - Bailey, Andrew (BOS) - 3
RP - Francisco, Frank (NY-N) - 2
P - Hanson, Tommy (ATL) - 8
P - Hudson, Tim (ATL) - 10
P - Scherzer, Max (DET) - 2

B - Jackson, Edwin (WAS) - 1
B - Miller, Shelby (STL) - 1

Total: 260

[astrosfanatic]

Feel free to send me any of the above if you'd like to trim some of that salary :)

feel free to make me an offer! I feel pretty set at the moment, but you never know

[Mr. Baseball]

Set my 25-man roster. Any idea when the Rule 5 Draft will take place?

[Mudge]

Set my 25-man roster. Any idea when the Rule 5 Draft will take place?

Not yet. We have a couple more guys who need to set their rosters, and then I need to make sure the BN rosters cohere with the ESPN rosters. My best guess is March 1 or thereabouts.

Thanks for signing up at ESPN.

Also, note that I've made several trade overtures to to you via PM. Any response?

[OutfieldGrass]

C - Carlos Santana - 20
1B - Adrian Gonzalez - 28
2B - Dustin Pedroia - 23
3B - Kevin Youkilis - 14
SS - Starlin Castro - 12
2B/SS - Neil Walker - 7
1B/3B - Carlos Pena - 10
LF - Casper Wells - 1
CF - Jacoby Ellsbury - 24
RF - Justin Upton - 27
OF - Denard Span - 1
UTIL - Billy Butler - 12
BN - Bryce Harper - 1
BN - Chone Figgins - 1

P - Felix Hernandez - 21
P - Jon Lester - 12
P - Jordan Zimmerman - 7
SP - Josh Becett - 14
SP - Brandon Morrow - 1
SP - Brandon Beachy - 9
RP - Hector Noesi - 1
RP - Jonathan Papelbon - 8
RP - Francisco Rodriguez - 1
BN - Danny Hultzen - 1
BN - Edinson Volquez - 1

Total - 257

[Mudge]

Set my 25-man roster. Any idea when the Rule 5 Draft will take place?

By the way, where IS your 25-man roster, complete with salaries? I can't find it anywhere on Baseball Nation (which is where we are putting things until the season begins. While I am trying to keep up with things over there, ESPN rosters are not official -- yet)

[Mr. Baseball]

Royals Batters:
C - Nick Hundley SD - 1
1B -
2B - Rickie Weeks MIL - 11
3B - Ryan Zimmerman WSH - 7
SS - Ian Desmond WSH - 1
2B/SS - Jason Kipnis CLE - 7
1B/3B -
LF - Ryan Braun MIL - 11
CF - Curtis Granderson NYY - 22
RF - Corey Hart MIL - 10
OF - Josh Willingham MIN - 8
UTIL - Brett Gardner NYY - 9
B - Jeff Francoeur KC - 3
B - Lorenzo Cain KC - 4
B - Jarrod Dyson KC - 1

Royals Pitchers:
P - Doug Fister DET - 7
P - Gio Gonzalez WSH - 3
P - Yovani Gallardo MIL - 14
P - Ubaldo Jimenez CLE - 1
P - Matt Moore TB - 12
P - Zach Greinke MIL - 8
RP - Carlos Marmol CHC - 1
RP - John Axford MIL - 8
RP - Heath Bell MIA - 1
B - Shaun Marcum MIL - 1
B - Joel Hanrahan PIT - 5
B - Greg Holland KC - 2

Total: $153

[astrosfanatic]

Rockies drop Johnny Cueto 8
Rockies add Marco Scutaro 3

new total salary 255

[Mudge]

IMPORTANT REMINDER: Your 25-man INITIAL ROSTERS are due to be posted by 8 pm ET on Wednesday, February 15.

The following have not done so as of this morning: Die Hard's Cubs; Cubs Fan's Phillies.

[DieHard]

Ok so Torii Hunter has played 1517 games in CF, 17 games in LF, and 196 games in RF according to MLB.com, how is it I cannot put him as my CF on ESPN?

[Baseballnum3er0]

Ok so Torii Hunter has played 1517 games in CF, 17 games in LF, and 196 games in RF according to MLB.com, how is it I cannot put him as my CF on ESPN?

According to BR he only played 1 game in Center last season and I believe he had to play 10 games to qualify for the position at the beginning of this year.

Edit: Astros answered it below me. He had to play 20 games in CF to qualify.

[astrosfanatic]

Ok so Torii Hunter has played 1517 games in CF, 17 games in LF, and 196 games in RF according to MLB.com, how is it I cannot put him as my CF on ESPN?

it has to do with how many games he played last year at the position. has to be at least 20 to qualify

[Mudge]

I will be setting Cubs Fans Roster at 8 pm this evening in the likely event that he does not make the deadline. I will also probably change his affiliation and add his extra free agent (he selected Kyle Lohse and Carlos Lee, and frankly, I might abrogate those in favor of more useful players).

Stay tuned.

[Mudge]

Die Hard: Post here!

[astrosfanatic]

I will be setting Cubs Fans Roster at 8 pm this evening in the likely event that he does not make the deadline. I will also probably change his affiliation and add his extra free agent (he selected Kyle Lohse and Carlos Lee, and frankly, I might abrogate those in favor of more useful players).

Stay tuned.

On Lohse i understand, but i didnt feel that Lee was a bad selection.

[WilsonC]

Roster tweak: Dropping Geovany Soto, and adding Fernando Salas (both $1 players, no change in total)

New roster:
C - McCann, Brian (ATL) - 7
1B Teixeira, Mark (NY-A) - 22
2B Uggla, Dan (ATL) - 13
3B Lawrie, Brett (TOR) - 17
SS Rollins, Jimmy (PHI) - 7
MI Zobrist, Ben (TB) - 16
CI Bautista, Jose (TOR) - 32
LF Crawford, Carl (BOS) - 10
CF Upton, B.J. (TB) - 16
RF Heyward, Jason (ATL) - 13
OF Cuddyer, Michael (COL) - 16
UT Freeman, Freddie (ATL) - 6

B Trout, Mike (LAA) - 1

SP - Lee, Cliff (PHI) - 25
SP - Sabathia, CC (NY-A) - 15
SP - Wainwright, Adam (STL) - 7
RP - Storen, Drew (WAS) - 8
RP - Bailey, Andrew (BOS) - 3
RP - Francisco, Frank (NY-N) - 2
P - Hanson, Tommy (ATL) - 8
P - Hudson, Tim (ATL) - 10
P - Scherzer, Max (DET) - 2

B - Jackson, Edwin (WAS) - 1
B - Miller, Shelby (STL) - 1
B Salas, Fernando (STL) - 1

TOTAL SALARY - 260

[astrosfanatic]

C- Buster Posey 10
1B- Joey Votto 32
2B- Robinson Cano 22
3B- Miguel Cabrera 34
SS- Johnny Peralta 1
MI- Danny Espinosa 7
CI- Paul Goldschmidt 11
LF- Emilio Bonifacio 1
CF- Coco Crisp 4
RF- Michael Stanton 21
OF- Nick Swisher 14
UTIL- Mike Moustakas 1

BN- Ryan Howard 1
BN- Dexter Fowler 8
BN- Marco Scutaro 3

SP- Anibal Sanchez 6
SP- Cole Hamels 25
SP- Dan Haren 16
P- Madison Bumgarner 11
P- Bud Norris 3
P- Jhoulys Chacin 3
CL- Mariano Rivera 8
CL- Rafael Betancourt 6
CL- Jason Motte 6

BN- Drew Pomeranz 1


Grand Total: 255 dollars

[WilsonC]

Yet another new roster:
C - McCann, Brian (ATL) - 7
1B - Teixeira, Mark (NY-A) - 22
2B - Uggla, Dan (ATL) - 13
3B - Lawrie, Brett (TOR) - 17
SS - Rollins, Jimmy (PHI) - 7
MI - Zobrist, Ben (TB) - 16
CI - Bautista, Jose (TOR) - 32
LF - Crawford, Carl (BOS) - 10
CF - Upton, B.J. (TB) - 16
RF - Heyward, Jason (ATL) - 13
OF - Cuddyer, Michael (COL) - 17
UT - Freeman, Freddie (ATL) - 6

B - Trout, Mike (ANA) - 1
B - Quentin, Carlos (SD) - 1

SP - Lee, Cliff (PHI) - 25
SP - Sabathia, CC (NY-A) - 15
SP - Wainwright, Adam (STL) - 7
RP - Storen, Drew (WAS) - 8
RP - Bailey, Andrew (BOS) - 3
RP - Francisco, Frank (NY-N) - 2
P - Hanson, Tommy (ATL) - 8
P - Salas, Fernando (STL) - 1
P - Scherzer, Max (DET) - 2

B - Jackson, Edwin (WAS) - 1
B - Miller, Shelby (STL) - 1

TOTAL SALARY - 251

[Mudge]

^^Keep posting, but I'm going to wait until 8 pm ET before getting started on the transfer to ESPN.

ALSO OF NOTE: When posting rosters and values, please add the current MLB team. It does make it a little easier.

[Baseballnum3er0]

C Miguel Montero - 5
1B Paul Konerko - 19
2B Chase Utley - 11
3B Mark Reynolds - 13
SS Alexei Ramerez - 4
MI Yunel Escobar - 2
CI Alex Rodriguez - 14
LF Yonder Alonso - 1
CF Andrew McCutchen - 22
RF Hunter Pence - 16
OF Jayson Werth - 14
UT David Ortiz - 14

B Dayan Viciedo - 1


SP Mat Latos - 11
SP James Shields - 9
SP John Danks - 3
RP Brandon League - 7
RP Kyle Farnsworth - 1
RP Sergio Santos - 2
P Daniel Hudson - 12
P Josh Johnson - 15
P Roy Oswalt - 4

B Josh Collimenter - 1
B Tim Hudson - 10
B Vance Worley - 2

Total-213

Note: Juan Pierre was dropped to even out the roster after the latest trade.

[Mudge]

It would appear that both DieHard and Cubs Fan missed the deadline -- Cubs Fan because he has not visited the forum in two and half weeks and DieHard because (after repeated posts and personal messages from me) he cannot figure out that we post our INITIAL ROSTERS here.

How frustrating is this?

Well, screw it. Cubs Fan is gone. Die Hard has a limited amount of time (24 hours) to justify his inability to post his roster. Maybe some of you can PM him as well. Frankly, I'm tired of doing so.

If you have any possible replacements, let me know.

Otherwise everything is on hold for 24 hours. If I have not heard from DieHard, we go to 8 teams and all their players are free agents. I see no other solution.

[DieHard]

Player Position(s) Team
Position Players
Lance Berkman 1B, LF, RF DH STL
Joe Mauer C, DH MIN
Jose Reyes SS NYM
Matt Holliday LF STL
Colby Rasmus CF TOR
Hanely Rameriz SS, 3B MIA
Ichiro Suzuki RF, DH SEA
Torii Hunter CF, RF, DH LAA
Adam Jones CF BAL
Chase Headley 3B SD
Kelly Johnson 2B TOR
Justin Smoak 1B, DH SEA
Albert Pujols 1B STL
Pitchers
Chris Carpenter SP STL
Jaime Garcia SP STL
Justin Verlander SP DET
David Price SP TB
Jair Jurrjens SP ATL
Ricky Romero SP TOR
Ricky Nolasco SP FLA
CJ Wilson SP ANA
Matt Garza SP CHC
Jonny Venters RP ATL
Francisco Cordero RP CIN
Brad Lidge RP PHI



OK my bad. I guess I should have checked the time zone for 8 pm. it is 7:53 my time right now.

[Mudge]

Cubs Fan has been disappeared from the league.

CF's Phillies are now Magnus Martyr's A's.

C Alex Avila, Det - 8
1B Carlos Lee, Hou (FA #1) - 4
2B Brandon Phillips, Cin - 11
3B Aramis Ramirez, Mil - 13
SS Derek Jeter, NYY - 12
MI Alcides Escobar, KC - 1
CI Ryan Roberts, Ari (FA #2) - 4
LF Logan Morrison, Fla - 13
CF Matt Kemp, LAD - 33
RF Andre Ethier, LAD - 13
OF Carlos Gonzalez, Col - 26
UT Brennan Boesch, Det - 3

B Yoenis Cespedes, Oak - 5
B Justin Morneau, Min - 1
B Yadier Molina, StL* - 1

P Wandy Rodriguez, Hou - 6
P Johnny Cueto, Cin (FA #3) -8
P Clay Buchholz, Bos - 1
SP Clayton Kershaw, LAD - 27
SP Chad Billingsley, LAD - 1
SP Hiroki Kuroda, NYY* - 9
RP Jose Valverde, Det - 2
RP Grant Balfour, Oak - 4
RP Javy Guerra, LAD - 1

B Mike Adams, Tex - 4

TOTAL SALARY - 211 (148 hitting; 63 pitching)

[Mudge]

Player Position(s) Team
Position Players
Lance Berkman 1B, LF, RF DH STL
Joe Mauer C, DH MIN
Jose Reyes SS NYM
Matt Holliday LF STL
Colby Rasmus CF TOR
Hanely Rameriz SS, 3B MIA
Ichiro Suzuki RF, DH SEA
Torii Hunter CF, RF, DH LAA
Adam Jones CF BAL
Chase Headley 3B SD
Kelly Johnson 2B TOR
Justin Smoak 1B, DH SEA
Albert Pujols 1B STL
Pitchers
Chris Carpenter SP STL
Jaime Garcia SP STL
Justin Verlander SP DET
David Price SP TB
Jair Jurrjens SP ATL
Ricky Romero SP TOR
Ricky Nolasco SP FLA
CJ Wilson SP ANA
Matt Garza SP CHC
Jonny Venters RP ATL
Francisco Cordero RP CIN
Brad Lidge RP PHI



OK my bad. I guess I should have checked the time zone for 8 pm. it is 7:53 my time right now.

We need RotoWire values for each of your players!

http://baseballnation.net/showthread.php?4416-Player-Values-2012

I can tell you that Pujols is 33

[Mudge]

NOTE: Initial Rosters are now set. You may NOT add or drop a player here or at SBT or on ESPN until further notice.

NO TRADES either.

I urge you to check over the roster as indicated at the top of the page. I will not alter these again unless you can justify such action.

Obviously, there is work to be done before we go to the Rule 5 Draft. I will keep you informed as best I can.

[DieHard]

Position Players
Lance Berkman 1B, LF, RF DH STL 14
Joe Mauer C, DH MIN 9
Jose Reyes SS NYM 15
Matt Holliday LF STL 20
Colby Rasmus CF TOR 6
Hanely Rameriz SS, 3B MIA 21
Ichiro Suzuki RF, DH SEA 5
Torii Hunter CF, RF, DH LAA 8
Adam Jones CF BAL 10
Chase Headley 3B SD 1
Kelly Johnson 2B TOR 4
Justin Smoak 1B, DH SEA 1
Albert Pujols 1B STL 33
Pitchers
Chris Carpenter SP STL 4
Jaime Garcia SP STL 5
Justin Verlander SP DET 22
David Price SP TB 18
Jair Jurrjens SP ATL 2
Ricky Romero SP TOR 10
Ricky Nolasco SP FLA 1
CJ Wilson SP ANA 11
Matt Garza SP CHC 12
Jonny Venters RP ATL 4
Francisco Cordero RP CIN 1
Brad Lidge RP PHI 1

total 238

[Mudge]

OK.

I have checked and re-checked the rosters here on Baseball Nation, and I have made a couple of personnel and salary adjustments as needed.

These are now official.

However, I still need to transfer these to ESPN, which I'll probably not get to until tomorrow (Fri.)

I will let you know when all is said and done over there.

[OutfieldGrass]

When the time comes for the Rule 5 draft will I be able to drop a player from my roster or am I out of luck since my roster is full?

[Mudge]

When the time comes for the Rule 5 draft will I be able to drop a player from my roster or am I out of luck since my roster is full?

See rule #9 at the top of the page.

[Mudge]

ESPN ROSTERS are SET!

Stay tuned for information regarding the Rule 5 Draft". It is a repeating draft, not a snake draft. Here's the one point in our season where you can pick up a player from another owner's HOME TEAM. Remember that any player you draft must go immediately on to your roster, which means in most cases you'll have to drop a player.

The drafting will be done here on Baseball Nation and backed up over at Serious Baseball Talk http://baseballtalk.freeforums.org/dynasty-league-2012-f4.html?sid=5e2ecc9958212cab47d529ec804c5b22

Here's the order -- in reverse order of last year's finish:

1. Magnus Martyr's A's
2. Mudge's Blue Jays
3. Outfield Grass' Mariners
4. Vertigo O's Orioles*
5. Die Hard's Cubs*
6. Num3erO's Padres
7. Mr. Baseball's Royals
8. Astrofanatics Rockies*
9. WilsonC's Cardinals*
10. LarryBud's Rangers

* Will reverse order for both the second and third rounds, due to a tie in the standings last year.

[LarryBud]

Mudge,

Derek Holland is not list on my team on ESPN.

[Mudge]

Mudge,

Derek Holland is not list on my team on ESPN.

He is now. Sorry I missed that one. I suppose it would be wise for everyone to check over the lists, what with trades and all.

[LarryBud]

No problem. It happens. Thanks for taking care of it.

[LarryBud]

Can we trade with and for Rule 5 draft picks? Can I package a couple of picks and trade up for a player that I may want or trade a player on my team for a pick? Just curious more than anything.

[Mudge]

Can we trade with and for Rule 5 draft picks? Can I package a couple of picks and trade up for a player that I may want or trade a player on my team for a pick? Just curious more than anything.

I don't see why not.

[Mr. Baseball]

ESPN ROSTERS are SET!

Stay tuned for information regarding the Rule 5 Draft". It is a repeating draft, not a snake draft. Here's the one point in our season where you can pick up a player from another owner's HOME TEAM. Remember that any player you draft must go immediately on to your roster, which means in most cases you'll have to drop a player.

The drafting will be done here on Baseball Nation and backed up over at Serious Baseball Talk http://baseballtalk.freeforums.org/dynasty-league-2012-f4.html?sid=5e2ecc9958212cab47d529ec804c5b22

Here's the order -- in reverse order of last year's finish:

1. Magnus Martyr's A's
2. Mudge's Blue Jays
3. Outfield Grass' Mariners
4. Vertigo O's Orioles*
5. Die Hard's Cubs*
6. Num3erO's Padres
7. Mr. Baseball's Royals
8. Astrofanatics Rockies*
9. WilsonC's Cardinals*
10. LarryBud's Rangers

* Will reverse order for both the second and third rounds, due to a tie in the standings last year.

Looking forward to the draft! I'll be prepared.

[Mudge]

Shall we get ready for the Rule 5 with a check-in? This means you have checked your roster at ESPN and are ready to do the draft.

As soon as I have heard from everyone, we can begin....

Mr. Baseball...check
Mudge...check
LarryBud...check

[WilsonC]

Roster verified and ready to begin.

[astrosfanatic]

readyyyyyyyyyyy

[Mudge]

Shall we get ready for the Rule 5 with a check-in? This means you have checked your roster at ESPN and are ready to do the draft.

As soon as I have heard from everyone, we can begin....

Mr. Baseball...check
Mudge...check
LarryBud...check

add:

WilsonC...check
astrosfanatic...check

Now it gets interesting...

[Baseballnum3er0]

Good to go!

[OutfieldGrass]

We are all set.

[Mudge]

I'll call it a check for Magnus Martyr (as of now, I control the team anyhow).

That leaves only Die Hard and Vertigo O.

Ready to go, fellows?

[Vertigo O]

Oh yeah ... hadn't seen this.

Vertigo's O's ..... Check

[Mudge]

Oh yeah ... hadn't seen this.

Vertigo's O's ..... Check

Very good. One to go.

[Mudge]

Very good. One to go.

Sent PM to DieHard. I am aiming for a Sunday (Feb. 26) 12 noon (ET) start.

[DieHard]

Sunday that early will not work for me. I have my son's last wrestling meet to attend since I am one of the team coaches.

[astrosfanatic]

Sunday that early will not work for me. I have my son's last wrestling meet to attend since I am one of the team coaches.

it is a slow draft that takes place here on the board.

[WilsonC]

Sunday that early will not work for me. I have my son's last wrestling meet to attend since I am one of the team coaches.

You don't need to be available at that specific time - it's a slow draft that will likely take a few days to get through. Basically, once every one's ready, you just need to check in to the forum regularly to see if your turn has come up yet.

[DieHard]

Okay then. My roster has the correct 25 guys on it. So I am ready

[Mr. Baseball]

When we post our selections, should we also include who we're dropping to make room on the 25-man roster?

[Mudge]

When we post our selections, should we also include who we're dropping to make room on the 25-man roster?

Definitely. I will set up a thread for the Rule 5 Draft tomorrow (by the way, it looks like Magnus Martyr will join us).

So your post should look like this:

"Mudge's Blue Jays draft Brian LaHair, RF, Cubs ($5). LaHair replaces Henderson Alvarez, SP, Toronto ($1). New total salary: $210."

NOTES

1. Even though DieHard owns the Cubs as his HOME TEAM, I can draft an unprotected Cubs player in the Rule 5 Draft.
2. Please give RotoWire values for both players and new team total salary.
3. Since I drop Henderson Alvarez, he becomes available to everyone else in the draft. If he is untouched by the time the Rule 5 draft concludes, he becomes my exclusive property for the remainder of the season (unless I trade him).

[OutfieldGrass]

So really anybody that's available at the leagues ESPN setup should be available in the draft, right? If so I have a nice long list lol

[Mudge]

So really anybody that's available at the leagues ESPN setup should be available in the draft, right? If so I have a nice long list lol

That's about the size of it.

[OutfieldGrass]

Doesn't get much easier than that lol. I'm ready to draft now :)

[astrosfanatic]

i dropped a bunch of players and added a bunch of players. my new salary is 253

dropped: Betancourt, Fowler

added: Chris Heisey, Matt Capps, Michael Brantley

[Mudge]

Mudge's Blue Jays added Tyler Clippard, Was, RP ($5). Clippard replaces Jonathan Sanchez, KC ($1). New Total Salary $214.

[Mudge]

i dropped a bunch of players and added a bunch of players. my new salary is 253

dropped: Betancourt, Fowler

added: Chris Heisey, Matt Capps, Michael Brantley

Can you give RotoWire values next time?

Do I have this right?

Betancourt ($6), Fowler ($8)

added: Chris Heisey ($1), Matt Capps ($1), Michael Brantley ($5)

[astrosfanatic]

Betancourt is $6

[WilsonC]

Added:
Vinnie Pestano (2) for Shelby Miller (1)

New salary: 256

[OutfieldGrass]

Added Edwin Jackson (1) for Danny Hultzeon (1)
Added Glen Perkins (1) for Hector Noesi (1)
Added Lucas Duda (2) for JD Martinez (2)
Added John Mayberry (1) for Mike Carp (1)
Added Trevor Bauer (1) for Edinson Volquez (1)

Overall salary stays the same at $258

[Baseballnum3er0]

Added Melky Caberera (5) in place of Yonder Alonso (1). New Salary 217

[Vertigo O]

Vertigo O's Orioles add SP Vance Worley (2), drop SP Wei-Yin Chen (1).

New salary raised from 175 to 176.

[Mudge]

Added Melky Caberera (5) in place of Yonder Alonso (1). New Salary 217

Thank you for recording it here, but do see the note below.


Vertigo O's Orioles add SP Vance Worley (2), drop SP Wei-Yin Chen (1).

New salary raised from 175 to 176.

Thank you. NOTE: At this point, however, now that the drafts are completed, you are on your own to make those changes over at ESPN.

[Mr. Baseball]

Are we allowed to add any current Free Agents or just ones from the home team?

[WilsonC]

Are we allowed to add any current Free Agents or just ones from the home team?

Any free agents are fair game unless they're on someone else's home team. Owned home team players are off-limits, but the others you're free to add.

[Vertigo O]

Thank you for recording it here, but do see the note below.



Thank you. NOTE: At this point, however, now that the drafts are completed, you are on your own to make those changes over at ESPN.

Yeah, I did that before I posted it here. And it shows up on my team page, but for whatever reason, it doesn't show up under League Activity on the League Home Page.

[Mudge]

Yeah, I did that before I posted it here. And it shows up on my team page, but for whatever reason, it doesn't show up under League Activity on the League Home Page.

That's weird. Let me check it out.

[Baseballnum3er0]

Yeah, I did that before I posted it here. And it shows up on my team page, but for whatever reason, it doesn't show up under League Activity on the League Home Page.

Same for me as well.

[astrosfanatic]

Add jd Martinez $2
Drop Chris heisey $1

New salary 257

[astrosfanatic]

Add Johan Santana 1
Drop Michael Brantley 5

new salary 253

[LarryBud]

Add Johan Santana 1
Drop Michael Brantley 5

new salary 253

That will either pay high returns or he will fizzle out. I was trying to watch his spring training starts to gauge if I wanted to add him. You beat me to the punch.

[astrosfanatic]

i figured i needed to grab him while i could. didnt want to wait until it was too late

[Mudge]

Added Melky Caberera (5) in place of Yonder Alonso (1). New Salary 217


Add jd Martinez $2
Drop Chris heisey $1

New salary 257

Add jd Martinez $2
Drop Chris heisey $1

New salary 257

That's funny that none of these shows up on league activity, but they are on your team pages.

Yet, Vertigo O's Wei-Lin Chen/Vance Worley transaction did finally appear.

Hmmmm. Mystery.

[Mudge]

Oh, by the way.

Mudge's Blue Jays add Mat Gamel, Mil ($1) and drop Adam Lind, Tor. ($2).

Also, add Russell Martin, NYY ($1) and drop J.P. Arencibia, Tor. ($1).

Salary drops to $213.

[astrosfanatic]

That's funny that none of these shows up on league activity, but they are on your team pages.

Yet, Vertigo O's Wei-Lin Chen/Vance Worley transaction did finally appear.

Hmmmm. Mystery.

Ninja moves.

Add Dexter Fowler (8)
Drop Danny Espinosa (7)

New Salary 251*


* i just added my salary and found that it is actually 6 dollars lower than i originally had it. Mudge, you can check me on this, but i believe my math is right

[Baseballnum3er0]

Padres drop Daniel Bard (1) and add Danny Espinosa (7). New Salary 223

[Mr. Baseball]

Mudge, I'd like to propose a one week waiting period for potential transactions.

Say if I own the rights to Wil Myers, and he gets traded to another team, I have one week to react before he becomes available to the other teams in the league. I realize this rule wasn't in effect when I lost Myers, and I'm not proposing I get him back. This is simply for future moves.

[Mudge]

Mudge, I'd like to propose a one week waiting period for potential transactions.

Say if I own the rights to Wil Myers, and he gets traded to another team, I have one week to react before he becomes available to the other teams in the league. I realize this rule wasn't in effect when I lost Myers, and I'm not proposing I get him back. This is simply for future moves.

As I posted over at SBT: What exactly do you mean by react?

[Mr. Baseball]

As I posted over at SBT: What exactly do you mean by react?

I'm the Royals and owned the rights to Wil Myers, correct? I chose to keep him as a Free Agent, because until the Rule 5 Draft, I technically owned all Royals players not on my active roster, even if I keep them as free agents.

It wasn't exactly fair that I lost him simply because I didn't have any time to react to him being traded. He was a Free Agent (which is basically my reserve roster), and I lost him only because I was UNAWARE that he had been traded until after the fact. I had no time to move him to my active roster and save him.

You told we wouldn't need to protect anyone until the Rule 5 Draft, and I assumed this meant I didn't need to worry about losing Wil Myers. I had full intention of protecting him before the draft.

[Mudge]

I'm the Royals and owned the rights to Wil Myers, correct? I chose to keep him as a Free Agent, because until the Rule 5 Draft, I technically owned all Royals players not on my active roster, even if I keep them as free agents.

It wasn't exactly fair that I lost him simply because I didn't have any time to react to him being traded. He was a Free Agent (which is basically my reserve roster), and I lost him only because I was UNAWARE that he had been traded until after the fact. I had no time to move him to my active roster and save him.

You told we wouldn't need to protect anyone until the Rule 5 Draft, and I assumed this meant I didn't need to worry about losing Wil Myers. I had full intention of protecting him before the draft.

I'm in the exact same position with Travis D'Arnaud (he was one of the main reasons why I selected the Blue Jays as my HOME TEAM last year). I don't see it as unfair so much as it's the chance we all take.

That said, I will look into it more comprehensively when I have more feedback.

[Mr. Baseball]

It would've been more fair if it was made clear that this could happen. I don't recall your exact wording, and I could easily be wrong, but I swear you told us that rosters were 'frozen' or 'locked until the Rule 5 Draft. I guess I misinterpreted the meaning.

[Mudge]

It would've been more fair if it was made clear that this could happen. I don't recall your exact wording, and I could easily be wrong, but I swear you told us that rosters were 'frozen' or 'locked until the Rule 5 Draft. I guess I misinterpreted the meaning.

Yeah. The ESPN roster is what is frozen at the close of the season in a dynasty league.