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yankeebiscuitfan
11-02-2011, 07:13 AM
American League
POS. PLAYER NO.
C Matt Wieters, Orioles 1
1B Adrian Gonzalez, Red Sox 3
2B Dustin Pedroia, Red Sox 2
3B Adrian Beltre, Rangers 3
SS Erick Aybar, Angels 1
LF Alex Gordon, Royals 1
CF Jacoby Ellsbury, Red Sox 1
RF Nick Markakis, Orioles 1
P Mark Buehrle, White Sox 3

National League
POS. PLAYER NO.
C Yadier Molina, Cardinals 4
1B Joey Votto, Reds 1
2B Brandon Phillips, Reds 3
3B Placido Polanco, Phillies 3
SS Troy Tulowitzki, Rockies 2
LF Gerardo Parra, D-backs 1
CF Matt Kemp, Dodgers 2
RF Andre Ethier, Dodgers 1
P Clayton Kershaw, Dodgers 1

What do you think? Do the selected players deserve the award? I can't tell. I don't see them play every day, so IMO I can't make a judgement here.

RickD
11-02-2011, 08:42 AM
I can't say they are not deserving but glad to see there were no Yankees on the list this time because there really wasn't a deserving Yankee this year.

Beltre and Gonzalez each earned $100,000 bonuses, while Aybar and Markakis get $75,000 apiece. Molina, Pedroia, Polanco and Votto each receive $50,000, and Tulowitzki and Buehrle both get $25,000. Phillips gets an automatic $250,000 raise next season to $12.25 million under the option the Reds exercised Monday.

Old Sweater
11-02-2011, 09:49 AM
I was surprised that Brett Gardner didn't get a GG since he led all left fielders in D saber stats. Really all outfielders but he does play LF.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/leagues/AL/2011-specialpos_lf-fielding.shtml

This clickable header lets you see them all for left fielder but.............

BIS defensive runs saved above average, Gardner 22,Alex Gordan 4

total zone fielding runs above average, Gardner 32, Alex Gordan 10 which ties him for 2nd with Ryan Raburn

Then if you place very much value in d WAR, Gardner 3.2, Gordan .8

Old Sweater
11-02-2011, 05:15 PM
For what it's worth to ya, here is the Fielding Bibles saber GG winners...........

http://www.billjamesonline.com/the_2011_fielding_bible_awards/

Here are the results of THE 2011 FIELDING BIBLE AWARDS:

FIRST BASE—ALBERT PUJOLS, ST. LOUIS CARDINALS (82 POINTS)
Winning his fifth Fielding Bible Award wasn't easy for Pujols, as he only edged out Adrian Gonzalez by 4 points, 82 to 78, in the closest race of any of the awards.

SECOND BASE—DUSTIN PEDROIA, BOSTON RED SOX (97 POINTS)
Despite already having a Gold Glove to his name and doing well in the voting in previous years, a Fielding Bible Award had eluded Pedroia until now. He was selected overwhelmingly this year, coming in 21 points better than runner-up Ben Zobrist.

THIRD BASE—ADRIAN BELTRE, TEXAS RANGERS (98 POINTS)
Beltre won this year's Fielding Bible Award pretty convincingly with 98 points out of a possible 100. However, last year's winner, Evan Longoria, didn't go down without a fight, garnering 90 points himself. No second place finisher at any other position had more than 78.

SHORTSTOP—TROY TULOWITZKI, COLORADO ROCKIES (94 POINTS)
Tulowitzki signed a huge contract extension last offseason. Clearly the Rockies wanted to make Tulo the rock of their defense for years to come, as this is the third time he has been honored with a Fielding Bible Award as the best defender at one of the most critical positions on the field.

LEFT FIELD—BRETT GARDNER, NEW YORK YANKEES (99 POINTS)
Gardner has established himself as one of the elite outfielders in the game. He saved an estimated 22 runs for his team this year, a total usually only seen amongst center fielders. As a result, he was only one point shy of being a unanimous selection for The Fielding Bible Award in left field.

CENTER FIELD—AUSTIN JACKSON, DETROIT TIGERS (89 POINTS)
Jackson has rewarded the Tigers for clearing space to make him their starting center fielder. His 22 Defensive Runs Saved led all center fielders, the second year in a row he has done that.

RIGHT FIELD—JUSTIN UPTON, ARIZONA DIAMONDBACKS (84 POINTS)
With a down year from three-time Fielding Bible Award winner Ichiro Suzuki, the door was opened for a new honoree. Seven different players received first place votes, but Upton emerged from the pack as this year's winner, excelling on deeply hit balls where he fielded 18 more balls in 2011 than the average right fielder would have.

CATCHER—MATT WIETERS, BALTIMORE ORIOLES (97 POINTS)
This year Wieters unseated the winner of the last four Fielding Bible Award winners at catcher, Yadier Molina. Wieters led all catchers with 14 Runs Saved, and garnered 97 points as the overwhelming choice for this year's award.

PITCHER—MARK BUEHRLE, CHICAGO WHITE SOX (90 POINTS)
Buehrle again won this award handily. Runner up R.A. Dickey only had 61 points. This is Buehrle's third straight Fielding Bible Award, as he continues to field his position very well and is a master of controlling the running game. Only three of ten would-be base-stealers were successful against him, and he picked off two additional baserunners.

yankeebiscuitfan
11-02-2011, 05:35 PM
I was surprised that Brett Gardner didn't get a GG since he led all left fielders in D saber stats. Really all outfielders but he does play LF.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/leagues/AL/2011-specialpos_lf-fielding.shtml

This clickable header lets you see them all for left fielder but.............

BIS defensive runs saved above average, Gardner 22,Alex Gordan 4

total zone fielding runs above average, Gardner 32, Alex Gordan 10 which ties him for 2nd with Ryan Raburn

Then if you place very much value in d WAR, Gardner 3.2, Gordan .8

Years ago, when I bought previews on the season by the Sporting News or Petersen. One of those magazines contained an article with the title: "The golden glove is worth its weight in lead. Could it be that this article is right at times?

Old Sweater
11-02-2011, 05:41 PM
Years ago, when I bought previews on the season by the Sporting News or Petersen. One of those magazines contained an article with the title: "The golden glove is worth its weight in lead. Could it be that this article is right at times?

For sure, IMO, being a Yankee is the only reason that Jeter has won some GG's and could be the reason that Gardner lost out this year. Gardner was picked by many sites to win this year.

WilsonC
11-02-2011, 06:47 PM
While I definitely agree that Gardner should have won, I think they did a better job overall this year than they often do.

Old Sweater
11-02-2011, 07:59 PM
http://mlb.sbnation.com/2011/11/2/2534113/2011-silver-slugger-awards-winners-david-ortiz-brian-mccann

American League

Position Winner #Wins Deserving
C Alex Avila 1 Yes*
1B Adrian Gonzalez 1 No
2B Robinson Cano 3 No
SS Asdrubal Cabrera 1 No
3B Adrian Beltre 3 No
OF Curtis Granderson 1 Yes
OF Jose Bautista 2 Yes
OF Jacoby Ellsbury 1 Yes
DH David Ortiz 5 Yes

National League

Position Winner #Wins Deserving
C Brian McCann 5 No
1B Prince Fielder 2 Yes
2B Brandon Phillips 1 No
SS Troy Tulowitzki 2 No
3B Aramis Ramirez 1 No
OF Ryan Braun 4 Yes
OF Matt Kemp 2 Yes
OF Justin Upton 1 No
P Daniel Hudson 1 No

The deserving is the opinion of another 'Baseball Nation'

astrosfanatic
11-02-2011, 08:57 PM
ok, so looking at these deserving/not deserving deal, i can only guess who they think is better:

AL

A-Gon > Cabrera ??? --it's a close call here. i think Cabrera's stats are more impressive since he did it in a park that is significantly less conducive to HR's, but the numbers at the end of the year could make it go either way

Pedroia > Cano? Cano was a beast this year

???? > Beltre??? Beltre to me was the clear winner in the AL

Andrus > Cabrera? i can see the argument here, but i think Cabrera's production in all aspects merits the award

in the NL*****

Miguel Montero > McCann ----this one was a real travesty. Montero was the clear winner IMO

???? > Brandon Phillips ----- nobody can match the numbers across the board that Phillips put up at 2B

i think the A-Ram pick was also a good choice

i think Tulo over Reyes is justifiable given Reyes DL stint this year...otherwise i think i would prefer Reyes

Justin Upton was an okay pick to me...Hunter Pence merited consideration along with Lance Berkman. Still, after Braun and Kemp, there really wasnt a clear choice


These deserving/non-deserving picks were made to create controversy and conversation. I see only 1 clearly blown choice>>> NL Catcher

WilsonC
11-02-2011, 11:17 PM
I don't see the NL Catcher as a travesty at all. Montero gets the edge for playing time, but it's less than a 30 PA difference, and McCann played in the tougher hitting park, but their overall offense was very similar (.270/.351/.466, 24 HR for McCann, .282/.351/.469, 18 HR for Montero) a BA edge for Montero, a HR edge for McCann, with OBP and SLG that are too close to show a meaningful difference. I wouldn't have had a problem with either of those two winning.

I'd have gone Miguel Cabrera certainly for AL 1B, and likely Berkman for the third NL OF, but there's none of the choices I'd say weren't deserving.

astrosfanatic
11-05-2011, 05:26 PM
I don't see the NL Catcher as a travesty at all. Montero gets the edge for playing time, but it's less than a 30 PA difference, and McCann played in the tougher hitting park, but their overall offense was very similar (.270/.351/.466, 24 HR for McCann, .282/.351/.469, 18 HR for Montero) a BA edge for Montero, a HR edge for McCann, with OBP and SLG that are too close to show a meaningful difference. I wouldn't have had a problem with either of those two winning.

I'd have gone Miguel Cabrera certainly for AL 1B, and likely Berkman for the third NL OF, but there's none of the choices I'd say weren't deserving.

Montero also drove in 15 more runs. McCann hit 3rd or 4th in the line-up all year long, while Montero really spent the bulk of his time hitting 5th or 6th....For Montero to drive in more runs and score more runs from a lower spot in the order has to also stand for something. Neither was in a great offensive line-up or really ever had good protection in their line-up, so there isnt much of an advantage there. To me, Montero was clearly better than McCann this year. I am not saying he was a lot better, but he was a better hitting catcher this year. If he played for the Phillies, Cubs, or Mets he would have been the winner. However, he plays out West so i am sure most of whoever voted on the award didnt even know he exists

Old Sweater
11-05-2011, 06:41 PM
However, he plays out West so i am sure most of whoever voted on the award didnt even know he exists

Agree, I think the only thing they know about Colorado and Arizona is that Rockies batters have inflated stats.

astrosfanatic
11-06-2011, 10:37 AM
any year that Michael Bourn doesnt win a Gold Glove is a bad year for the voters. I dont know how he did once he went to Atlanta, but he was as stellar as ever down here. He is probably worth the price of admission for his defensive plays alone....

yankeebiscuitfan
11-14-2011, 01:58 PM
The 2011 honours of becoming ROY go to Jeremy Hellickson of the Tampa Bay Rays.
Hellickson got 17 of 28 first place votes.
Angels first baseman Mark Trumbo received five first-place votes and finished second with 63 points. Royals first baseman Eric Hosmer was third with 38 points and Yankees right-hander Ivan Nova was fourth with 30.

astrosfanatic
11-14-2011, 04:37 PM
i think they got this one right. I am surprised to see Nova at 4th. I figured the East Coast Bias would have netted him more votes.

Old Sweater
11-14-2011, 04:45 PM
Hosmer more or less lived up to billing finishing 3rd in deadwater Kansas City.

yankeebiscuitfan
11-14-2011, 04:56 PM
i think they got this one right. I am surprised to see Nova at 4th. I figured the East Coast Bias would have netted him more votes.

So in the end, the East Coast Bias may not be as bad as you think.

RickD
11-14-2011, 05:18 PM
I think Nova got ripped! He should have been #1 or #2 in voting!

OutfieldGrass
11-14-2011, 07:52 PM
Hellickson might not have been the best pitcher on the list but the wins and ERA won it for him. Surprised to see Trumbo so high.

Cubs Fan
11-15-2011, 03:11 PM
I thought Trumbo should have won it. Trumbo looks like a great player except his OBP, that killed him...

RickD
11-15-2011, 11:02 PM
2011 AL CY YOUNG AWARD VOTING

Voting results for AL Cy Young Award as conducted by the Baseball Writers' Association of America

Player | Team | 1st | 2nd | 3rd | 4th | 5th | Points
Justin Verlander | Tigers | 28 | | | | | 160
Jered Weaver | Angels | | 17 | 8 | 2 | 1 | 97
James Shields | Rays | | 5 | 9 | 8 | 3 | 66
CC Sabathia | Yankees | | 5 | 7 | 9 | 4 | 63
Jose Valverde | Tigers | | 1 | 3 | 6 | 3 | 28
C.J. Wilson | Rangers | | | | 1 | 7 | 9
Dan Haren | Angels | | | 1 | 1 | 2 | 7
Mariano Rivera | Yankees | | | | | 4 | 4
Josh Beckett | Red Sox | | | | | 3 | 3
Ricky Romero | Blue Jays | | | | 1 | | 2
David Robertson | Yankees | | | | | 1 | 1

RickD
11-15-2011, 11:08 PM
2011 AL ROOKIE OF YEAR VOTING

Voting results for AL Rookie of the Year, conducted by the Baseball Writers' Association of America

Player | Team | 1st | 2nd | 3rd | Points
Jeremy Hellickson | Rays | 17 | 5 | 2 | 102
Mark Trumbo | Angels | 5 | 11 | 5 | 63
Eric Hosmer | Royals | 4 | 4 | 6 | 38
Ivan Nova | Yankees | 1 | 5 | 10 | 30
Michael Pineda | Mariners | | 3 | 2 | 11
Dustin Ackley | Mariners | 1 | | 1 | 6
Desmond Jennings | Rays | | | 1 | 1
Jordan Walden | Angels | | | 1 | 1

RickD
11-16-2011, 12:03 AM
2011 NL ROOKIE OF YEAR Voting

Voting results for NL Rookie of the Year, conducted by the Baseball Writers' Association of America

Player | Team | 1st | 2nd | 3rd | Points
Craig Kimbrel | Braves | 32 | | | 160
Freddie Freeman | Braves | | 21 | 7 | 70
Vance Worley | Phillies | | 8 | 16 | 40
Wilson Ramos | Nationals | | 1 | 3 | 6
Josh Collmenter | D-backs | | 1 | 2 | 5
Danny Espinosa | Nationals | | 1 | | 3
Darwin Barney | Cubs | | | 2 | 2
Kenley Jansen | Dodgers | | | 2 | 2

RickD
11-16-2011, 12:09 AM
AL Comeback Player of the Year:

Jacob Ellsbury

NL Comeback Player of the Year:

Lance Berkman

AL Aaron Award:

Jose Bautista

NL Aaron Award:

Matt Kemp

2011 Clemente Award:

David Ortiz

2011 Deliveryman of the Year:

Jose Valverde

Old Sweater
11-16-2011, 04:18 AM
Although deserving, I'm surprised by the unanimous 1st place votes for Kimbrel and Verlander.

BobH
11-16-2011, 07:44 AM
No surprises..but I really believe the RoY in the NL should've gone to an every day player. Atlanta's Freddie Freeman came in 2nd in the balloting to Kimbrel and, were it up to me, I would've put Freeman 1st and Kimbrel 2nd....but, Hey...at least they were both Braves.....:)-BH

RickD
11-16-2011, 02:10 PM
AL Manager of the Year voting

Manager | Team | 1st | 2nd | 3rd | Points
Joe Maddon | Rays | 26 | 1 | | 133
Jim Leyland | Tigers | 1 | 13 | 10 | 54
Ron Washington | Rangers | 1 | 7 | 5 | 31
Manny Acta | Indians | | 3 | 7 | 16
Joe Girardi | Yankees | | 3 | 5 | 14
Mike Scioscia | Angels | | 1 | 1 | 4

NL Manager of the Year voting

Manager | Team | 1st | 2nd | 3rd | Points
Kirk Gibson | D-backs | 28 | 4 | | 152
Ron Roenicke | Brewers 3 | 25 | 2 | 92
Tony La Russa | Cardinals | 1 | 2 | 13 | 24
Charlie Manuel | Phillies | | 1 | 7 | 10
Fredi Gonzalez | Braves | | | 4 | 4
Bruce Bochy | Giants | | | 2 | 2
Clint Hurdle | Pirates | | | 2 | 2
Terry Collins | Mets | | | 1 | 1
Don Mattingly | Dodgers | | | 1 | 1

RickD
11-16-2011, 02:15 PM
Thought Ron Washington should have won the AL spot!

Old Sweater
11-16-2011, 07:25 PM
Thought Ron Washington should have won the AL spot!

One first place vote and third overall? That stinks in a way. Lots of great managers in the voting, another reason I think all managers are close to being a push.

Mudge
11-17-2011, 05:22 AM
Too many awards.

Old Sweater
11-17-2011, 06:25 AM
Too many awards.

For our generation, yep. For today's world of reality(phony IMO) shows, I think MLB is just trying to keep up, which seems odd since they started building smaller ballparks for the sacristy factor.

RickD
11-17-2011, 09:47 AM
Yeah it would be nice to just have a few awards....

I see it in schools today too. If we have a winner fine but let's give everyone SOME kind of award for playing.

S-T-U-P-I-D!

astrosfanatic
11-17-2011, 10:50 AM
NL Cy Young is today

NL and AL MVPs are released on the 21st and 22nd


Should be Kershaw today, right?

BobH
11-17-2011, 12:00 PM
NL Cy Young is today

NL and AL MVPs are released on the 21st and 22nd


Should be Kershaw today, right?

He would get my vote, AF. If he doesn't...then there ain't no justice!..:)-BH

astrosfanatic
11-17-2011, 12:02 PM
I wish Ian Kennedy would get more love than he most likely will. He won 21 games pitching half of his games in an offensive-friendly ballpark. I guess the same could be said for Lee and Halladay, but Lee and Halladay also had a much better line-up hitting behind them.

RickD
11-17-2011, 05:03 PM
You guys were right!

NL Cy Young voting totals

Pitcher | Team | 1st | 2nd | 3rd | 4th | 5th | Points
Clayton Kershaw | Dodgers | 27 | 3 | 2 | | | 207
Roy Halladay | Phillies | 4 | 21 | 7 | | | 133
Cliff Lee | Phillies | | 5 | 17 | 9 | 1 | 90
Ian Kennedy | D-backs | 1 | 3 | 6 | 18 | 3 | 76
Cole Hamels | Phillies | | | | 2 | 13 | 17
Tim Lincecum | Giants | | | | 1 | 5 | 7
Yovani Gallardo | Brewers | | | | 1 | 3 | 5
Matt Cain | Giants | | | | 1 | 1 | 3
John Axford | Brewers | | | | | 2 | 2
Craig Kimbrel | Braves | | | | | 2 | 2
Madison Bumgarner | Giants | | | | | 1 | 1
Ryan Vogelsong | Giants | | | | | 1 | 1

Old Sweater
11-19-2011, 04:02 AM
Yeah, Kershaw easily won the NL Cy and I believe it was within the 3 year window I predicted for him after seeing the kid pitch the first time. The only other pitcher I predicted for a Cy(no year window) after seeing him pitch the first time was Mark Prior. Barring injury, I think I would have been right.

RickD
11-21-2011, 03:20 PM
American League Most Valuable Player voting totals

Player | Team | 1st | 2nd | 3rd | 4th | 5th | 6th | 7th | 8th | 9th | 10th | Points
Justin Verlander | Tigers | 13 | 3 | 3 | 4 | 1 | 2 | | 1 | | | 280
Jacoby Ellsbury | Red Sox | 4 | 13 | 4 | 1| 4 | 1 | | | | 1 | 242
Jose Bautista | Blue Jays | 5 | 7 | 4 | 4 | 4 | 1 | 1 | 1 | 1 | | 231
Curtis Granderson | Yankees | 3 | 4 | 4 | 8 | 6 | 1 | 2 | | | | 215
Miguel Cabrera | Tigers | 2 | | 9 | 5 | 5 | 2 | 4 | | 1 | | 193
Robinson Cano |Yankees | | | 2 | 2 | 3 | 6 | 4 | 5 | 1 | 1 | 112
Adrian Gonzalez | Red Sox | | | 1 | 1 | 2 | 6 | 8 | 3 | 3 | 1 | 105
Michael Young | Rangers | 1 | 1 | 1 | 1 | 1 | 1 | 4 | 7 | 4 | 2 | 96
Dustin Pedroia | Red Sox | | | | | | 4 | 1 | 4 | 6 | | 48
Evan Longoria | Rays | | | | 2 | | | 1 | 2| | 3 | 27
Ian Kinsler | Rangers | | | | | 1 | 2 | 1 | 1 | 1 | | 25
Alex Avila | Tigers | | | | | | | 1 | 1 | 2 | 2 | 13
Paul Konerko | White Sox | | | | | | | | | 5 | 1 | 11
CC Sabathia | Yankees | | | | | | 2 | | | | | 10
Adrian Beltre | Rangers | | | | | | | | 2 | 1 | 1 | 9
Ben Zobrist | Rays | | | | | 1 | | | | | 1 | 7
Victor Martinez | Tigers | | | | | | | | 1 | 1 | 2 | 7
James Shields | Rays | | | | | | | | | 1 | 5 | 7
Mark Teixeira | Yankees | | | | | | | 1 | | | 1 | 5
Asdrubal Cabrera | Indians | | | | | | | | | 1 | 2 | 4
Alex Gordon | Royals | | | | | | | | | | 3 | 3
Josh Hamilton | Rangers | | | | | | | | | | 1 | 1
David Robertson | Yankees | | | | | | | | | | 1 | 1

Old Sweater
11-21-2011, 07:17 PM
I think Cano will win one of these things before he hangs them up. Nice for Verlander but it would be hard for me voting for a pitcher.

RickD
11-21-2011, 09:18 PM
Yeah voting for a pitcher would be hard for me as well. I mean they only play every 4-5 games.....an MVP is someone who plays everyday IMO!

BobH
11-21-2011, 09:40 PM
Agreed, guys..the pitchers have the Cy Young which Verlander already won for the AL. The MVP most definitely should go to an everyday guy.-BH

Rexington
11-22-2011, 12:16 AM
I actually disagree with the MVP only going to position players. Pitchers have the CY Young and hitters have the Hank Aaron awards. I do believe that a pitcher can, with a Verlander type season, provide as much overall value to a team as a position player. People talk about a pitcher having a good lineup behind him, but imagine the feeling a hitter has when he has a Verlander or Halliday pitching on his side. A hitter can take way more chances each at bat and on the basepaths knowing that the other team is going to have a much harder time scoring runs. Just my thoughts on the matter.

Mudge
11-22-2011, 07:07 AM
Too many awards.


Oh, right. I already said that. :wink:

RickD
11-22-2011, 06:21 PM
Ryan Braun won the NL MVP.

The list is to long, so I won't be trying to replicate it here.

Old Sweater
11-22-2011, 08:22 PM
That Braun is quite the appeal to the voters. Not only did Kemp do better with the bat, he played a much more valuable CF. Braun has improved defensively but not enough to compare with Kemp.

Mudge
11-22-2011, 08:38 PM
That Braun is quite the appeal to the voters. Not only did Kemp do better with the bat, he played a much more valuable CF. Braun has improved defensively but not enough to compare with Kemp.

I'm a Ryan Braun supporter in general, but I think Kemp deserved the award. It's hard to argue with a 2.3 advantage in WAR (Kemp 10.0 to Braun's 7.7).