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CoreyR
04-08-2011, 03:25 PM
Manny Ramirez was notified by MLB that there was an "issue" under its drug program and instead of continuing with the process of resolving the "issue" Manny announced his retirement.

Wow, I am shocked!

yankeebiscuitfan
04-08-2011, 03:29 PM
I am not. This may be the best thing happening to the Rays.

Mickey Mental
04-08-2011, 03:33 PM
He was taking viagra...........it made him play harder.

yankeebiscuitfan
04-08-2011, 03:35 PM
He was taking viagra...........it made him play harder.

Yeah. He hoped that he could hit with his other bat.... :lol:

Buccos13
04-08-2011, 03:43 PM
Hahaha, I love you two.

But wow, what a shocker!

Vertigo O
04-08-2011, 03:45 PM
Huh, never saw this coming.

I would imagine a call up of Desmond Jennings would be next, moving Damon to DH.

JoshRedcay
04-08-2011, 03:56 PM
Wow, couldn't believe it when I saw this thread, haha. Very shocking and unexpected, but this is probably a good thing for the Rays.

Mickey Mental
04-08-2011, 04:01 PM
I wonder how he'll feel when they tell him he won't be paid for the rest of the year.

yankeebiscuitfan
04-08-2011, 04:05 PM
you guys are terrible. :)

I know. We love you too.

RickD
04-08-2011, 04:05 PM
Ramirez tested positive for a performance-enhancing drug in spring training, according to Michael Schmidt of the New York Times, citing two people briefed on the matter. Ramirez was suspended for 50 games in 2009 for violating the drug policy and a second infraction would have resulted in a 100-game ban.

I don't feel sorry for him!

Mickey Mental
04-08-2011, 04:18 PM
I normally don't feel sorry for guys who have made over 200 million dollars and are still under the age of 40.

diehardbrewgirl
04-08-2011, 04:20 PM
This is obviously very shocking news but I don't feel bad for the guy either. He shouldn't have gotten involved with the roids in the first place, maybe he'd still be playing the rest of the year instead of taking the easy way out and leaving the Rays with no DH.

KILLADELFIA
04-08-2011, 04:26 PM
He's a dummie. No two ways about it. Get caught in 09 and do it again two springs later.

The game is better off without him.

Mudge
04-08-2011, 04:28 PM
He was taking viagra...........it made him play harder.


Yeah. He hoped that he could hit with his other bat.... :lol:

Better watch out. After all, this is a family show, and comments of this nature could result in an infraction.

soberdennis
04-08-2011, 04:47 PM
I didn't see this coming. I have never really been a fan of Manny's. He seemed to have the personality of a rock. But at the same time, there is no doubt that he was one of the best players of our generation. I know I hated seeing him against the Yankees.
Of course, there is the automatic question that comes with any star's retirement nowadays. HOF? Before 2009, I would have said it was a slam dunk with Manny. Now I'm not so sure.

LarryBud
04-08-2011, 04:53 PM
I have the Man Ram on a fantasy team. I was counting on him hitting 20+ homers. That sucks for my team. Probably a mixed blessing for the Rays but bad timing.

RickD
04-08-2011, 08:33 PM
I think this will make his HOF chances a wee bit slimmer.

yankeebiscuitfan
04-08-2011, 09:18 PM
If he will be elected you can certainly say that the HOF election is a farce.

BobH
04-08-2011, 10:07 PM
I definitely think that seeing that 100 game suspension in the tea leaves prompted his exit. I'm like Mickey....I don't pity the jerk at all. 50 games lost just wasn't enough, I guess....but, then again...."that's just Manny being Manny"....:naughty:-BH

Jake
04-08-2011, 10:10 PM
Better watch out. After all, this is a family show, and comments of this nature could result in an infraction.

Seriously? Chill, dude.

Manny has HOF numbers, but if he gets in you'll have a hard time convincing me that guys like Bonds don't belong there as well.

Old Sweater
04-08-2011, 10:27 PM
Big name player towards the end of his career. Surprise, surprise. When MLB starts catching young stars and borderline players I might believe that they are really doing something about PED's.

I'll miss watching Manny, he brought MLB lots of revenue.

Mr. Baseball
04-08-2011, 10:50 PM
The world is a better place now, that's all I have to say.

DieHard
04-08-2011, 11:11 PM
He was a chode. I remember when the Dodgers swept the Cubs out of the playoffs, the damn network announcers kept saying how his shear presence in a club house was responsible for the Dodgers exponential increase in run production. Manny brought HGH, roids or whatever with him. He deserves to be banned from anything baseball related forever

CoreyR
04-08-2011, 11:22 PM
Can't believe he tested positive again. I forgave him once, not happening again. Sucks I have no love for a guy who I use to absolutely admire as a ball player (before 1st positive test). He fooled me. Way to walk out like a bum. You will forever now be known as "the player who got caught doing steroids twice." Nobody is going to look at your numbers, or even think about them anymore and how great of a player you were. They are just going to think about the steroid user who put such a dirty mark on the game of baseball.

Vertigo O
04-08-2011, 11:52 PM
I actually believe Bonds, Manny, Palmeiro and McGwire all deserve to be in the HOF. And in that order too.

Edit: And Bagwell too! What a farce it is that he didn't get in.

RickD
04-08-2011, 11:55 PM
I have no problem with steroid users going in if they used before the ban....after the ban, if they used they lose IMO.

Mex86
04-09-2011, 12:16 AM
I kept seeing the words 'shocked' and 'unexpected' in this thread-- seriously? Even after his 50-game suspension, Manny never apologized or held himself truly accountable for what had happened. He became a sullen, remote figure in L.A., and once they shipped his butt out, and he had equally disastrous results in Chicago, I'm sure he figured the only way he could recapture past glory, at his advanced age, was to see if he could get away with using again. He knew his career was just about over, and if they found out, what did he have to lose? He was either going to be retired forcefully or voluntarily. I have no sympathy. He had a great run, but we'll never know how much of his productivity was artificially enhanced. HOF? At this point, the writers have a decision to make: either all steroid users with HOF numbers are in, or they're out. You can't vote in Bonds but not Manny, and so forth. Manny was one of the best right-handed hitters of his generation. Now, he's just another disgraced aging superstar. Join the club.

Mickey Mental
04-09-2011, 12:54 AM
Well put Mex........nice job.

Mudge
04-09-2011, 05:34 AM
Seriously? Chill, dude.

Nah. I was just pulling their legs.

As for Ramirez himself, Mex86 said it best.

The only thing I would add is that we all are in some way culpable, and by we, I mean those of us who support the wide-ranging baseball business culture -- from owners to players to media to other fans and The Hall of Fame, even forums like this.

In some small way, I (we) prop up an enterprise which, based as it is so heavily on winning and productivity, inevitably promotes, if not tacitly endorses, the drive to achieve success by whatever means possible. And the rewards, as we know, are great (Ramirez and his clan get to sulk all the way to the bank). Meanwhile, some get caught and some do not.

It is a community effort, with some perhaps more culpable than other of course.

Are we bad? No. Just part of the problem.

Old Sweater
04-09-2011, 06:49 AM
Pud Galvin is in the HOF.

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I have no problem with steroid users going in if they used before the ban....after the ban, if they used they lose IMO.


Though not enforced, MLB banned PED use in the early 90's and wasn't so called enforced until 2005 or so. Still ain't IMO. They'll all get in even though a lot of us will be 6ft under.

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He had a great run, but we'll never know how much of his productivity was artificially enhanced.


True, I wish they would allow human testing for the fans that think something out of a bottle or needle can make you more then 2% inhuman. Ben Johnson took 2% off of his 100 meter time but I could have taken a lunch box of PED's each and every day in my youth and still had been slow as a turtle. Putting racing fuel in a jalopy is a waste of time.

LetsPlay2
04-09-2011, 03:04 PM
The only thing I would add is that we all are in some way culpable, and by we, I mean those of us who support the wide-ranging baseball business culture -- from owners to players to media to other fans and The Hall of Fame, even forums like this.

In some small way, I (we) prop up an enterprise which, based as it is so heavily on winning and productivity, inevitably promotes, if not tacitly endorses, the drive to achieve success by whatever means possible. And the rewards, as we know, are great (Ramirez and his clan get to sulk all the way to the bank). Meanwhile, some get caught and some do not.

Couldn't agree more.

When thinking about athletes like Manny, I always think of Charles Barkley. "I AM NOT A ROLE MODEL" was his big line in a Nike ad series.... That pretty much says it all.

But even to the end, Manny was always Manny.

Let's remember the good times:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zoXUuHqPVBs

Mickey Mental
04-09-2011, 06:55 PM
By the way, May 29 was supposed to be Manny Ramirez bobblehead day in Tampa Bay.

The Rays will announce alternative plans for the May 29 kids giveaway day in the near future. Team stores will no longer sell Ramirez shirts, jerseys or the wigs of his dreadlocked hair.

yankeebiscuitfan
04-09-2011, 07:52 PM
Maybe they can make some Voodoo dolls out of these bobbleheads...

Old Sweater
04-09-2011, 10:11 PM
The ball seems to be flying well so far in the damp cool weather, got a big fish to fry for controversy, I predict an attendance increase this season.

I wish MLB would do a PED(spec) check on the baseballs and release them to the public.

Mex86
04-10-2011, 09:52 PM
Another fine piece.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/dan_shaughnessy/04/10/manny.ramirez/index.html?xid=cnnbin&hpt=Sbin

Mickey Mental
04-11-2011, 12:20 AM
Another fine piece.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/dan_shaughnessy/04/10/manny.ramirez/index.html?xid=cnnbin&hpt=Sbin

CHB is a pretty good writer.

Old Sweater
04-11-2011, 12:46 AM
Another fine piece.


To opinionated for me. Seems to know more about Manny then his teammates. I'd rather read what his peers and teammates really think about him.

Mickey Mental
04-11-2011, 12:49 AM
To opinionated for me. Seems to know more about Manny then his teammates. I'd rather read what his peers and teammates really think about him.

Ask Kevin Youkilis.

Old Sweater
04-11-2011, 12:52 AM
I also believe that a lot of writers are about as sincere as the apologies of the players who tested hot. Heck give me a brain and 4 years of journalism and I could write an article targeted at popular opinion no matter what I really thought about it.

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Ask Kevin Youkilis.


Thats one, most players got along with him. That is what got me to liking the crazy guy.

Mickey Mental
04-11-2011, 12:55 AM
Thats one, most players got along with him. That is what got me to liking the crazy guy.

I watched every game he played in for almost eight years. There were no complaints from the players when he was traded.

Old Sweater
04-11-2011, 07:50 AM
I watched every game he played in for almost eight years. There were no complaints from the players when he was traded.


It isn't to common for the players to show discontent with management by the way of media.

Mex86
04-11-2011, 08:54 AM
To opinionated for me. Seems to know more about Manny then his teammates. I'd rather read what his peers and teammates really think about him.

He's a columnist. He's paid to express a strong opinion. The best writers put things in perspective. Manny's peers and teammates (and ex-teammates), are not necessarily going to be forthcoming about a fellow player. But as Mick implies, what players don't say can be just as important as what they do say.


I also believe that a lot of writers are about as sincere as the apologies of the players who tested hot. Heck give me a brain and 4 years of journalism and I could write an article targeted at popular opinion no matter what I really thought about it..

I know how cynical and distrustful you are of sportswriters, and God knows, there's a lot of mediocre ones out there. But you're discounting the value of the good ones. The articles posted on this site tend to be from the better writers, and their opinions don't always coincide with popular opinion. Sometimes they fly in the face of it, and force you to re-evalutate a position. Sometimes they provoke. I'm going to post one in the Barry Bonds trial thread that will probably make you shake your head. But that's their job.


It isn't to common for the players to show discontent with management by the way of media.

Really? In the past few years, there have been a slew of players who ripped their former teams following a trade. And there's been more than a few who ripped their teams hoping to force a trade. Players use the media like the media uses them.

LetsPlay2
04-11-2011, 08:57 AM
I watched every game he played in for almost eight years. There were no complaints from the players when he was traded.

In this department, I really don't think Scott Bor@$$'s involvement can be underestimated.

Manny, with all his faults, was still relatively happy and productive. Sure, he would take a siesta every September.... but he was still a huge asset to the team.

Along comes Bor@$$ in Febuary of 2008, and Manny starts demanding that the two club option years ($20 mil a year for '09 and '10) get picked up immediately. Boston, understandably, doesn't bow to the pressure.... and picking up options in the middle of the season isn't their style anyways. All of a sudden the formerly playful irratic behavior takes on a darker shade. Next thing you know, Manny's on the next flight smokin' to LA in July. I truly believe that Boras deserves a lot of the blame for the way Manny left Boston. If the MLB had any cajones, they'd investigate Manny and Boras for throwing games while these troubles were ongoing.

Mickey Mental
04-12-2011, 12:32 AM
Heck give me a brain

No comment needed. :)

Mudge
04-12-2011, 05:49 AM
Time to move on.

Old Sweater
04-12-2011, 07:23 AM
The best writers put things in perspective.

True, but I always wonder if it's their true opinion, or if they're just stirring the pot.


But as Mick implies, what players don't say can be just as important as what they do say.


Again true, but with the power of the pen, some writers put their own interpretation in the paper that may be false.


I know how cynical and distrustful you are of sportswriters, and God knows, there's a lot of mediocre ones out there. But you're discounting the value of the good ones.


That's why I said, lots of sports writers, instead of all.


The articles posted on this site tend to be from the better writers, and their opinions don't always coincide with popular opinion. Sometimes they fly in the face of it, and force you to re-evalutate a position.


Yeah, they do, but seldom are they the first to hit the papers. Often they are just counter pointing what most writers are putting in the papers or net.


Really? In the past few years, there have been a slew of players who ripped their former teams following a trade.


Percentage wise, that slew, isn't to common, as I said.

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No comment needed.


Think I have ADD at times and the memory of a goldfish.:)

RickD
09-23-2011, 01:54 PM
And now the braniac known as Manny Ramirez wants to come back and play ball again. Denied entry into winter ball in the Dominican Republic, Manny has said he would apply for reinstatement to the league via the commissioner. Yeah good luck with that!

http://content.usatoday.com/communities/dailypitch/post/2011/09/manny-ramirez-dominican-winter-league-reinstatement/1

yankeebiscuitfan
09-23-2011, 03:19 PM
IF the Commissioner allows Ramirez to play in the Dominican Winter league, who will take MLB serious then?

Mudge
09-23-2011, 04:16 PM
Well, they let Steve Howe back in about ten times if I recall correctly.