The Derek Jeter Thread

[IrishMet]

Just seen this while catching up on MLB.com as I can no longer avail of MLB.tv in my current University accommodation.

http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=12117903&topic_id=8879976&c_id=mlb

What does everyone think of this?

If none of the Umps managed to see the ball hit the bat, surely they heard it? It's such a shame there isn't an instant replay system in baseball like there is in say the NFL. Although the Yankee's still lost the game, Jeter went on to score with a Granderson homer. Maddon was even ejected from the game.

[RickD]

Wow! That is funny. Derek sold it well but you really could hear the ball on bat.

Missing it though is one thing, throwing out the manager just compounds your mistake!

Hey Kudos to Jeter for trying!

[IrishMet]

Haha, yeah fair play to him for getting away with it.

[RickD]

Jeter admitted it later and said basically, "Hey they told me to go to first, I did!"

http://mlb.fanhouse.com/2010/09/16/derek-jeter-admits-hit-by-pitch-struck-bat-not-him-in-loss-to/?synd=1

[WilsonC]

It's just gamesmanship and I don't have any issue with it.

That said, if it had been A-Rod rather than Jeter in the same situation, how many articles would there be calling it bush-league? ;)

[RickD]

Remember when A-Rod girly slapped at a player trying to tag him out on the way to first?

[CoreyR]

Lmao, great acting by Jeter. I would of done the same thing.

[diehardbrewgirl]

I was listening to Jim Rome on the way to school this morning and they were talking about it and he said everyone "cheats" in baseball and its not considered cheating unless you're caught ha I thought that was so true!

[Buccos13]

I was listening to Jim Rome on the way to school this morning and they were talking about it and he said everyone "cheats" in baseball and its not considered cheating unless you're caught ha I thought that was so true!

Lol I love that! Haha

[TTMCentral]

Thats Amazing! I LOVE what he did.

[whitstatman]

Derek Jeter calls controversy 'comical'


BALTIMORE -- For the past two days, the sports world has been debating over the propriety, or lack thereof, of Derek Jeter's "performance" after getting buzzed by a pitch in the seventh inning of Wednesday night's game against the Tampa Bay Rays.

And as is often the case, the only person capable of applying true clarity to the situation was Jeter himself.

"It's really a big deal being made out of nothing," Jeter said in the New York Yankees clubhouse before Friday night's game against the Baltimore Orioles at Camden Yards. "I had nothing to do with the call. The umpire called it from the get-go. I didn't do it. I didn't tell myself to go to first base. I didn't make the call. He didn't ask me did it hit you and I said, 'Yeah, it hit me please let me go to first base.' It's comical to me that this is really getting this much attention."

[RickD]

Well I look at this as much to do about nothing. It was funny and Jeter did milk it but it was a blimp on the Yankees season.

[CoreyR]

Yankees manager Joe Girardi spoke to MSG's Jill Martin at halftime of the Knicks-Clippers game on Wednesday night and addressed the possibility of Derek Jeter moving to center field.

"It all depends on how long he plays the game,” the Yankee manager said. “He’s our shortstop and that’s what we plan on him being ... but if he plays beyond this contract it's possible he plays somewhere else."


Source: ESPN New York (http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/yankees/post/_/id/12798/girardi-on-jeter-to-cf-its-possible) | Twitter Link (http://twitter.com/#!/CoreyRievley/status/35558135469047808)

If it did happen, it would be very interesting. I don't think I could even imagine Jeter playing in CF. It's almost like having Randy Johnson play 1B. Well, in my opinion.

[Old Sweater]

Like I said before, he could get to all those balls hit up the box.

[RickD]

I see Jeter retiring before moving to the OF.

[Mex86]

It wouldn't be Yankees Spring Training without a Steinbrenner making some noise - in this case Hank, the younger of the two brothers. Guess he's ready to inherit Dad's penchant for stirring the pot. At least Jeter seemed to take it well.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/23/sports/baseball/23yankees.html

[RickD]

Hank and Hal had a great role model and really, Jeter probably could care less at this point.

I don't see the long term viability of Hank and Hal working together.

[Mudge]

Oh man, I hope something interesting (baseball-wise) happens real soon in spring training because otherwise this is the kind of media garbage we are going to have to put up with.

[Old Sweater]

Mountain out of a mole hill Yankees media.

[yankeebiscuitfan]

Mountain out of a mole hill Yankees media.

Yup. Trying to make news out of a non news issue.

Although I must say that Hank is a major @$$hole. When does he learn that he needs to think before he starts to bark.
In this case he stated later, that he did not mean Jeter and that he did not had the intention to attack him.

As RickD said, a good cooperation between Hank and Hal seems impossible. I sure hope that Hank will step back. He sure has inherited the big mouth of his father, something I didn't like about the old man. It seems that Hal has inherited the business talent of his father.

[Old Sweater]

Yup. Trying to make news out of a non news issue.

Although I must say that Hank is a major @$$hole. When does he learn that he needs to think before he starts to bark.
In this case he stated later, that he did not mean Jeter and that he did not had the intention to attack him.

As RickD said, a good cooperation between Hank and Hal seems impossible. I sure hope that Hank will step back. He sure has inherited the big mouth of his father, something I didn't like about the old man. It seems that Hal has inherited the business talent of his father.


Hey, it worked for Mr. George Steinbrenner. Drama sells big time in NY. As a matter of fact I can't think of one thing that don't increase demand in that Yankees crazy town.

Hal denied that he was singling out Jeter but the 2+2 don't pan out that way. Hal gets the Yankees more national headlines and then changes the direction of his pointing finger. I believe there is reason to the Stienbrenners madness. Crazy like a fox IMO.

[yankeebiscuitfan]

Crazy like a fox IMO.

If you mean FOX news, I agree.

The animal is cunning and smart, not exactly a capability of Hank, if you ask me.

[Old Sweater]

If you mean FOX news, I agree.

The animal is cunning and smart, not exactly a capability of Hank, if you ask me.

Haven't read to much about Hank but I was referring to Hal who uses a bunch of 10 cent words that I don't understand. If Hal and Hank don't hurt local and nation wide demand for the Yankees, they're at least not causing any harm. Owners are just stock investors who will do anything to drive up their investment, which happen to be their players.

[Mickey Mental]

I wonder if Jeter will miss practice to pick out swatches.

[Mudge]

Owners are just stock investors who will do anything to drive up their investment, which happen to be their players.
And the value of the thing they own. Forbes estimated the value of the Yankees as well over a billion dollars. Much of that is due to the players, but much of it is also due to the media, who are themselves quite cozy with the arrangement.

[Mudge]

Owners are just stock investors who will do anything to drive up their investment, which happen to be their players.
And the value of the thing they own. Forbes estimated the value of the Yankees as well over a billion dollars. Much of that is due to the players, but much of it is also due to the media, who are themselves quite cozy with the arrangement.

I, for one, enjoy watching the Yankees play baseball. What makes me dislike them generally is all the detritus (sorry for the 10 cent word, OS) that circles in orbit around them.

[LetsPlay2]

I, for one, enjoy watching the Yankees play baseball. What makes me dislike them generally is all the detritus (sorry for the 10 cent word, OS) that circles in orbit around them.

For me, the "over-hyping" of players is almost unbearable. I know the media plays up the Sox as well.... but I can't even watch a Sox game on ESPN with the sound on anymore. Even if the Sox are playing the Mariners, they still end up talking about Jeter for half an hour!! Hopefully the new ESPN crew will be an improvement.

[RickD]

Well after being called out (supposedly it wasn't him that l'il Steinbrenner was talking about) for building a house and helping to contribute to the Yanks lack of fire...what do we really know about Derek Jeter's house?

It's the largest home on Davis Islands, located minutes south of downtown Tampa.

His new house is 30,875 square feet. It's known as the House That Jeter Built.

It's more than twice as big as the late owner George Steinbrenner's 13,480-square-foot house in South Tampa.

It features seven bedrooms, nine bathrooms, a pool, a pair of three-car garages and a drive-through portico.

Jeter also built a six-foot wall around the compound for privacy - earning the nickname The Great Wall of Jeter.

Adding to that he is the Captain of the Yankees and dating Minka Kelly. Man has it rough!

http://content.usatoday.com/communities/dailypitch/post/2011/02/derek-jeters-new-house-the-talk-of-the-town-/1

[Jake]

I am now officially changing my answer to the "If you could trade lives with any person, who would it be?" question.

[diehardbrewgirl]

What I want to know is what can a guy possibly do with seven bedrooms and nine bathrooms? Maybe he uses one bedroom for each of the four seasons and the other three are for guests? Maybe I'm thinking too much about that lol. And as much as I want to dislike Jeter because he's a Yankee I really can't cause I love Minka Kelly!

[Old Sweater]

Well, no player has done more for MLB then Jeter, revenue wise, but I think the house is really overboard. Guess he is starting to do things for himself now that his career is starting to wind down.

Probably a sound investment.

[Mr. Baseball]

To be honest, if I was a billionaire I still wouldn't want to live in a house that big. There comes a point when you have to ask yourself "Do I really need a bowling alley in my basement?" The logical answer to that question is plain and simple, no.

If I win the lottery, I will be investing in a home similar to this one.
http://www.trendir.com/house-design/okoboji-lake-house-1.jpg

[RickD]

What I want to know is what can a guy possibly do with seven bedrooms and nine bathrooms

Different bedroom every night. "Tonight it's the Tuesday room!"

[Mickey Mental]

To each his own..........I would never do it. I'd probably build something so private that no one could ever find me.

[munson15ny]

Other HOFers have made the switch............as always tiime will tell.........

[JoshRedcay]

Sure he's getting older, but seeing Jeter in CF would be very weird. While it may be weird, I could easily see it happening with him getting older and losing some of his SS range.

[Buccos13]

I think that even with his old age he would be better off staying at SS than moving to the outfield, especially CF.

[yankeebiscuitfan]

Left Field would be an option, but certainly no CF. SS is possible. Look at Omar Vizquel, he played SS over 40.

[Mr. Baseball]

Derek Jeter is currently 48 hits shy of reaching the magical number of 3,000 for his career. With only around two months left before the All Star Break, do you think he can pull it off?

Let's assume his hip remains healthy, and he doesn't miss any time.

[RickD]

It will be close but I see it happening right after the ASG.

[LetsPlay2]

I don't think so.

[BobH]

Jeter is 37 now and his body isn't as resilient as it once was, so I think assuming he stays healthy and doesn't lose anytime is a pretty iffy assumption. His hitting has fallen off somewhat in the last two years and I'm kinda shocked that of his 27 base hits thus far this year only two are of the extra-base variety. I'm gonna say he doesn't make it, but, having said that, I'd kind of like to see it. I've never been a Yankee fan but I've always been a Jeter fan. He plays the game like I like to see it played and will battle you right to the end. He's my favorite kind of ballplayer.-BH

[JoshRedcay]

It will either be just before the ASG or just after. I'm going to say he'll get it just after the ASG.

The way he's hitting now with a .250 average, he's about in line to get it right around the all-star break.

[CoreyR]

I think he will do it after the All-Star Game. I'm guessing he'll do it July 21st in Tampa. We will see though.

[Big Papi]

I think he will get it shortly after the all star game, will be pretty close if he keeps hitting like he has been the last 2-3 games though.

[Mark Teixeira25]

i say no, ill give him till mid august.

[daddies4angels]

I think he will get it before All Star game. One hot streak and he comes really close.

[yankeebiscuitfan]

I think it will be after the ASG. But to be honest it is the least important baseball thing on my mind. I am more concerned about how the Yankees play at the moment.

[Mark Teixeira25]

I think it will be after the ASG. But to be honest it is the least important baseball thing on my mind. I am more concerned about how the Yankees play at the moment.

AMEN to this, we need to focus on how the team are going to do and how it will affect us

[RickD]

Derek Jeter is now 14 hits away from joining the 3,000 club.

I will track the remaining hits here in this thread leading up to the illustrious event.

Here is the club he will be joining:

3,000 HIT CLUB

Player Career 3,000th
Pete Rose 4,256 5/5/78
Ty Cobb 4,191 8/19/21
Hank Aaron 3,771 5/17/70
Stan Musial 3,630 5/13/58
Tris Speaker 3,514 5/17/25
C. Yastrzemski 3,419 9/12/79
Cap Anson 3,418 7/18/1897
H. Wagner 3,415 6/9/14
Paul Molitor 3,319 9/16/96
Eddie Collins 3,315 6/6/25
Willie Mays 3,283 7/18/70
Eddie Murray 3,255 6/30/95
Nap Lajoie 3,242 9/27/14
C. Ripken, Jr. 3,184 4/15/00
George Brett 3,154 9/30/92
Paul Waner 3,152 6/19/42
Robin Yount 3,142 9/9/92
Tony Gwynn 3,141 8/6/99
Dave Winfield 3,110 9/16/93
Craig Biggio 3,060 6/28/07
R. Henderson 3,055 10/7/01
Rod Carew 3,053 8/4/85
Lou Brock 3,023 8/13/79
R. Palmeiro 3,020 7/15/05
Wade Boggs 3,010 8/7/99
Al Kaline 3,007 9/24/74
R. Clemente 3,000 9/30/72

When Jeter hit's 3,000 he will be the 28th player to make this mark!

Here is how Derek is doing this year and for his career:

G AB R H TB 2B 3B HR RBI BB IBB SO SB CS AVG OBP SLG OPS GO/AO
SEASON 55 231 34 60 75 7 1 2 16 22 0 27 5 2 .260 .327 .325 .652 2.56
CAREER 2350 9553 1719 2986 4293 475 62 236 1151 970 37 1599 328 87 .313 .383 .449 .833 1.97

[wcs71401]

Even though I have abandoned the Yankees as my favorite team, I am going to be thrilled when Jeter get 3,000. My bandwagon fanhood spans Jeter's entire career so I can't wait to see it. I just don't want to miss it.

[Stars_Rangers_82]

Maybe we should start a thread for people to guess what date he will hit the historic mark? To me, I think it would be on June 16th against the Rangers. That'll be just before a six game road trip, and I'd think Jeter would want to do it at home in front of his fans.

[RickD]

As much as I would like to think Jeter will try to do it in front of fans, Jeter strikes me as the type who will try to do it regardless of where he is, so long as it helps the team win!

[Old Sweater]

Be great went he gets there. No player more deserving IMO. Guy reeks of class.

[JoshRedcay]

That's a huge moment for him...

I'm guessing he'll reach it on June 18th, against the Cubs at Wrigley.

[RickD]

Here is a nice little piece on Derek's 1996 season in the USA Today: http://www.usatoday.com/sports/baseball/al/yankees/2011-06-07-1996-derek-jeter_N.htm

Last night Derek moved to within 12 hits of 3,000....

Here is the shot he made last night that moved him to within 12:


http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=15638959&topic_id=17080924&c_id=mlb&tcid=vpp_copy_15638959

[RickD]

In the bottom of the 5th inning, Derek Jeter doubles (8 on the year) on a fly ball to center fielder Jacoby Ellsbury. Francisco Cervelli scores.

11 more to go!

[RickD]

Here is a look at Derek Jeter's 1997 season:

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/baseball/al/yankees/2011-06-08-1997-derek-jeter_N.htm

[IrishMet]

I can't stand the Yankees, but I'm looking forward to seeing Jeter join the 3,000 club. It's a tremendous achievement, and one that you have to respect no matter how you feel about the team. I hope he gets in at Yankee stadium, too. While it's going to be a great moment no matter where he gets his 3000th hit, it would be incredible to get it in front of the home crowd.

[RickD]

DEREK JETER IS 10 AWAY!

Here is a look at Jeter's 1998 Season:

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/baseball/al/yankees/2011-06-09-1998-derek-jeter_N.htm

Jeter was 1-4 with a single in the Yankees' Thursday night 8-3 loss to the Red Sox. He now needs 10 hits for 3,000! Here is a link to # 2, 990:

http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=15725611&topic_id=17080924&c_id=mlb&tcid=vpp_copy_15725611

At this year's pace, Jeter will get his 3,000 hit...: June 18 at Wrigley Field against the Chicago Cubs.

Tony Gwynn shared his thoughts on getting to 3,000:


"Getting to 2,990 was simple," Gwynn said. "Those last 10 are hard to get, because your thinking changes. All along you're just grinding it out, trying to hit the ball hard, trying to do things right. But as you get closer to it you try to cheat to get hits. People are coming to see you get hits, so it gets a little bit tougher.

"Fortunately, Rod Carew and George Brett both told me the same thing, 'The last 10 are kind of difficult to get.'"

"(The pressure) just starts to mount as you get closer," he said. "And you put pressure on yourself because you want to do it at home, but I fell short. It's funny how things work out, but it did. And it was pretty cool. I wouldn't change a thing."

[RickD]

Here is a look at Jeter's 1999 season.

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/baseball/al/yankees/2011-06-10-jeter-1999_N.htm

Jeter doubled to right field off reliever Chad Durbin with one on and one out last night for hit # 2,991!

[RickD]

Jeter was hitless last night.

You can read about his 2,000 season here:

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/baseball/al/yankees/2011-06-10-2000-derek-jeter_N.htm

[yankeebiscuitfan]

Tony Gwynn said that the last 10 hits will be the hardest. Being hitless last night may be the proof of that.

I still don't care too much about this mile stone (I am more concerned by the Yankees' struggles), but I hope he won't struggle like A-Rod did before his 600th homer.

[Stars_Rangers_82]

With 2 more hits last night he's only 7 away from 3,000. Even as a Yankee hater I still pull for this great guy.

[RickD]

Hit #2,992 came in the bottom of the 5th inning. Derek Jeter singles on a fly ball to right fielder Shin-Soo Choo. Brett Gardner scores.

Hit #2,993 came in the bottom of the 8th inning. Derek Jeter singles on a ground ball to center fielder Michael Brantley. Brett Gardner scores.

Here's an interesting little chart:

Road to 3,000 - The Final Leg
Player No. 2990 Last 10 Last One No. 3000 Home/Away
Biggio 06/18/07 10-for-34 1-for-1 06/28/07 Home
Palmeiro 06/28/05 10-for-37 1-for-3 07/15/05 Away
Henderson 09/24/01 10-for-41 1-for-5 10/07/01 Home
Ripken 09/19/99 10-for-43 1-for-1 04/15/00 Away
Gwynn 07/27/99 10-for-33 1-for-1 08/06/99 Away
Boggs 07/28/99 10-for-29 1-for-1 08/07/99 Home
Molitor 09/08/96 10-for-28 1-for-2 09/16/96 Away
Murray 06/20/95 10-for-36 1-for-6 06/30/95 Away
Winfield 08/31/93 10-for-48 1-for-1 09/16/93 Home
Brett 09/23/92 10-for-24 1-for-1 09/30/92 Away
Yount 08/31/92 10-for-37 1-for-7 09/09/92 Home
Carew 07/23/85 10-for-38 1-for-4 08/04/85 Home

In case you missed them, you can watch his last few hits here:

http://www.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?topic_id=17080924&content_id=15814511

[RickD]

JEter singled for his 2,994th hit and then limped out with an injury of some sort.....

[astrosfanatic]

JEter singled for his 2,994th hit and then limped out with an injury of some sort.....

His right calf. i heard the letters D and L somewhere in the reporting.

[wcs71401]

Doesn't look like he will get 3,000 at home this week. That sucks.

[RickD]

Dang....well Tony Gwynn said those last 10 were the hardest!

[DetroitFan4ever]

Derek Jeter's quest for his 3,000th hit could resume as soon as Monday when the Yankees open a three-game series against the Indians in Cleveland.


Yankees general manager Brian Cashman said Jeter "had another good day" in his rehabilitation from a strained right calf suffered in a game against the Indians at Yankee Stadium on June 13.


"He did full-bore baserunning today, and full defense with lateral movement, so he got tested pretty good," Cashman said before Wednesday night's Yankees-Milwaukee Brewers game. "We'll repeat that and see how he feels tomorrow. If all goes well, we could be looking at a rehab assignment as early as Saturday."


If Jeter comes through Thursday's drills OK, the plan is for him to play at least two games for the AA Trenton Thunder over the weekend wth an eye toward having him rejoin the Yankees on their trip to Cleveland, which begins July 4 -- the late George Steinbrenner's birthday.


Cashman ruled out a return any earlier than that, meaning Jeter will not resume his pursuit of the hit milestone this weekend at against the Mets at CitiField. "But maybe Cleveland," Cashman said. "First we've got to see how he drills tomorrow. Let's see how the next few days go. Then let's get him into a rehab setting and see how that goes. Then you start talking about what series could he be plugged into. Maybe at some point during the Cleveland series. Maybe."


Jeter injured himself leaving the batter's box in the fifth inning of a game on June 13 just six hits shy of the 3,000 plateau. In his absence, the Yankees have won 10 of 13 games, moved from 2½ games back of the Boston Red Sox in the AL East to 1½ games in front, and Jeter's replacements -- Brett Gardner and Nick Swisher in the leadoff spot and Eduardo Nunez at shortstop -- have performed more than capably.


In nine games as the leadoff hitter, Gardner has batted .286 with a .390 on-base percentage. In four games atop the lineup, Swisher has hit .307 and has a whopping .526 OBP. At the time of his injury, Jeter was hitting .260 with a .324 OBP.


But Cashman said the performance of the team would have no bearing on when the Yankees would recall Jeter.


"We never deal with that," Cashman said. "Our pitching's doing well but we're looking forward to getting (Bartolo) Colon and (Phil) Hughes back into this thing. We let the player's health dictate when they're ready, not how we're doing."



http://sports.espn.go.com/new-york/mlb/news/story?id=6717567

Glad to see him coming back

[RickD]

Jeter is back and went hitless for the day!

[yankeebiscuitfan]

Let Nunez DH for Jeter... ;)

[RickD]

HBO will air a one-hour documentary titled "Derek Jeter 3K" shortly after Jeter records his 3,000 hit. The documentary will include footage from Jeter's career. The film will also include interviews with Jeter, Hal Steinbrenner, Brian Cashman, Joe Girardi, Joe Torre, Mariano Rivera and Jeter's girlfriend Minka Kelly, among others.

---------- Post added at 07:02 PM ---------- Previous post was at 06:53 PM ----------

One inning after he legged out an infield single in his first at-bat against the Indians on Tuesday, Derek Jeter roped a two-out, two-run double, moving within four hits of 3,000 for his career.

[JoshRedcay]

Barring a 4-hit performance Wednesday or 5 games without 4 hits, he'll probably get this thing in the next series which means it'll be at home. So at least he'll be able to do it in Yankee Stadium.

[Mudge]

Barring a 4-hit performance Wednesday or 5 games without 4 hits, he'll probably get this thing in the next series which means it'll be at home. So at least he'll be able to do it in Yankee Stadium.
I hope he does. As much as I like Jeter, and I do, this kind of thing drags out a bit too long. Admittedly, he went on the DL, but still, let's get it over with.

[RickD]

Jeter pulled within three hits of 3,000 for his career, lining a double in three at-bats against Cleveland's Justin Masterson.


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George Brett predicts the 3,000th hit of Derek Jeter's career will be harder to get than the first. Brett said on a conference call Thursday it would probably take a couple of at-bats for Jeter's nerves to calm enough for him to get a hit in that night's game. Brett says the second hit will be easier than the first, but the third will be by far the most difficult.


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MLB is planning to release a plethora of Jeter merchandise this fall to commemorate his 3,000th:

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/baseball/al/yankees/2011-06-13-derek-jeter-3000-hits-2002_N.htm (http://www.usatoday.com/sports/baseball/al/yankees/2011-06-13-derek-jeter-3000-hits-2002_N.htm)

[Buccos13]

No offense, but I was hoping that he would stay on the DL for a little longer :p . I'm going to see the Yankees play later on this month, but he'll already have reached 3,000 by then.

[JoshRedcay]

Jeter's now 2 hits away after a lead-off double.

[RickD]

Derek Jeter doubled on a line drive to Upton!

2, 998!

[RickD]

He passed Gehrig as the franchise hits leader in Sepember 2009. He is seventh among Yankees in batting average, third in runs, fourth in total bases, eighth in runs batted in, 10th in homers, second in doubles and first in stolen bases. He should pass Mantle in August for most games played.

No one can argue that he lacks class. He has always been the ultimate teammate, helping and encouraging the other 24 guys on the team. He steps in the limelight when guys are getting heat and recedes when needed.

He has never been involved in a scandal and outside of a few critiques from "The Boss" and his contract negotiations this year, the org has always treated him with respect.

Bill James criticized his defense, yet game in and game out he has been there making incredible play after incredible play!

Sure his numbers are down, he is aging. Yet he is now on the cusp of doing something that only 27 other players have ever done in all of MLB history....3,000 hits. No other pure Yankee has EVER accomplished that...well as I said, only 27 guys in MLB history have.

So Is Derek Jeter the all-time greatest Yankee?

No....In my mind it's

Berra
Jeter
Ruth
Dimaggio
Gehrig
Mantle

Let the debate begin.

[wcs71401]

You raise a very intersting question. There will be alot of debate about this because people always seem to have a difficult time talking about a player today being better than a player for the past or being in the conversation of the greatest player on a certain team of all-time.

Jeter to me epitomizes everything that I would want a player on my team to be. He is a champion, gold glover, all-star, ROY, and a MVP (not league but still). He leaves it all on the field, stays out of trouble while making the money he makes living in the city he lives in. He is a breath of fresh air for the game during a time when it is full of dark clouds. There is no denying what he has meant to the team and the sport over the last 16 seasons.

While I can't say for sure I think he is the greatest Yankee of all-time I certainly put him in the discussion and think he is easily top-three like you have.

It is going to be strange when he retires. I still consider him a kid although he is older than I am. It just doesn't seem right that he is on the downward swing of his career.

He is one of my favorite players that is for sure.

[astrosfanatic]

Jeter is a great player who has benefited from playing on some of the greatest teams ever and in the biggest spotlight in sports. Is he better than some of those players you mentioned? No. But he did play his entire career with the Yanks, and it has been a full one, which puts him statistically ahead of them. As to his defense, he pulls the same crap Jim Edmonds pulled all those years in Anaheim and St Louis. Plays that great defenders make routinely, he makes look spectacular b/c he is a step behind those 'elite' defenders. Edmonds always played a shallow center and took longer routes to balls to make the 'great' diving play that guys like Bourn and Beltran would make standing up b/c they simply are/were elite defenders. Same thing with Jeter. His 'jump throw' that he has made famous (it is probably one of my favorites btw), wouldnt be necessary for a Tulowitski or Adam Everrett b/c they have the range and speed to make it to those balls earlier and get off a normal throw. Jeter is an above average defender that gets way too much credit because he makes these athletic plays that great SS's wouldnt even need to make.

as far as his place in Yankee's lore, i think your list is a good one. Berra and DiMaggio were HUGE fan favorites. The Bambino as well. Jeter is a great player and i am glad to see him join the 3,000 hit club.

He always will get more credit than others because of the spotlight he plays in, but i think he has earned it b/c as we have seen with A-Rod, the Big Unit, and countless others, it isnt for everybody and it is tough at times.

[WilsonC]

It has to be Ruth for me, even if he wasn't a Yankee for his entire career.

1. He was easily the best player in Yankee history, even when you don't look at his time outside of NY.
2. He was really the player most responsible for turning the Yankees from being just another baseball team into THE baseball team. None of the great Yankee teams came before Ruth, whereas by the time he finished, the Yankees were expected to be playing in the WS every year.
3. While he started with the Red Sox, he really embodies the rivalry between the two teams. Acquiring Ruth was one of the great swindles in baseball history. The trade symbolizes the transfer of power to the Yankees. Only recently did the curse in his name get broken.

Jeter's a great player and a greater Yankee, but I don't think anyone touches Ruth, both in playing accomplishments and significance to the franchise.

[Scoobean]

My prediction is he gets this done tonight.

[Mattrd26]

Comon Jeter get that 3000; :crying:

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I hope he gets it tonight :grumpy:

[yankeebiscuitfan]

Jeter is one of the greatest Yankees. I know that I have criticized his defense too, but Nunez and Pena have shown (during his injury) that it can always be worse.

He may be a bit overrated, but when someone collects 3000 hits, he certainly belongs in the HOF and thus has a big place in the history books.

Because of all the things you wrote about him Rick, it is not strange that the Yankees made him their captain. Not only will he be a fix in Cooperstown, the Yankees will retire his number for sure.

[RickD]

Can you imagine the crowd in Cooperstown when Jeter is inducted, it will be bigger than when Ripken went in....

For all those who knock Jeter, the Yanks have felt confident enough in his performance to keep him around for 16 years and i will stand behind the fact that his accomplishing a feat only 27 other men have done, makes him one of the greatest all time.

[wassit3]

Ruth
Gehrig
Berra
Dimaggio
Mantle
Jeter

[WilsonC]

I'm curious as to how close to 100% Jeter will get for the HoF.

[wassit3]

He always will get more credit than others because of the spotlight he plays in, but i think he has earned it b/c as we have seen with A-Rod, the Big Unit, and countless others, it isnt for everybody and it is tough at times.

didn't Arod win two of his mvps while in NY? just saying...

[Mudge]

Because I do not follow the Yankees day in and day out, I can't speak to Jeter so-called intangibles -- I assume that are accurate as described -- but as far as his presence on the field is concerned, no doubt he is worthy of consideration.

Ruth and Mantle clearly were better hitters, as was Gehrig, whose tragic story will never be equalled -- I hope. Berra played (what I think) is an equally demanding position, and DiMaggio had what the Spanish call "duende."

They can each lay claim to the honor, and I would be hard pressed to argue against any selection.

[RickD]

Ruth was a better HR hitter but Jeter had more hits!

Jeter holds so many records with the Yanks and deservedly so. However, looking at just his hits....he is the 28th best hitter in HISTORY!

(Here comes the irrational Yankee fan....lookout!)

[Mudge]

Well, if you want to hang your hat on one hook (total hits) , I'll hang mine on another: oWAR.

As a Yankee, Ruth had 144.1 offensive wins above replacement - Jeter 83.3.

Mind you, I'm not saying that Ruth was the most valuable Yankee of all time, but he was a much better hitter.

[WilsonC]

Ruth was a better HR hitter but Jeter had more hits!

Jeter holds so many records with the Yanks and deservedly so. However, looking at just his hits....he is the 28th best hitter in HISTORY!

(Here comes the irrational Yankee fan....lookout!)

He had more hits as a result of more at bats, but it's silly to call him a better hitter. To emphasize how much better Ruth was with the bat, consider this: Jeter has primarily been a contact hitter throughout his career, whereas Ruth was a power hitter first and foremost. However, even when you look at only contact hitting, Ruth hit for a higher batting average - much higher. The difference between Ruth's Yankee batting average and Jeter's is the difference between Jeter and a .275 hitter.

[Buccos13]

Jeter to wear special shoes in approach of #3,000.

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/blog/big_league_stew/post/Derek-Jeter-8217-s-8217-3K-8217-shoes-conta?urn=mlb-wp11859

I personally don't mind it, but someone made a good point: "Did Pete Rose or Ty Cobb wear special shoes when they hit 3,000?"

[TTMCentral]

Girardi said that until several days ago that he didn't even think about where he would hit #3,000! You would think that would be the first thing on his mind.

[Old Sweater]

Berra
Jeter
Ruth
Dimaggio
Gehrig
Mantle

With this list you would have to give a lot of weight to position played, and intangibles before Jeter could overcome the bats of the others. Mantle was great, but still has the 'what if' factor to consider, while the others were probably the best they could be. Mantle's 5 year peak is something to consider when you compare him to Ruth, since the league average player, to superstar gap. had closed, compared to Ruths time frame. If I remember right, the league average player to superstar gap, closes at about 1% a year.

[Scoobean]

Jeter will have to wait another day. Now I think he will get 3,000 on Sunday. 1 hit tomorrow and hit 3,000 on Sunday.

[RickD]

#2,999 was a solid single into the left field. Went right between the SS and 2B. Nice.....

[Blue Jays Fan]

Derek Jeter home run! Hit 3,000!!!
http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?topic_id=6350584
That link is where I saw it.

[Scoobean]

What a great way to get 3,000. Only Wade Boggs has hit a HR for that number. Congratulations Derek!!!

[RickD]

Absolutely incredible. I almost started to cry. This is why I love baseball. HR for the 3,000th hit....incredible.

[Buccos13]

Congratulations to Derek Jeter!

[CoreyR]

That was absolutely amazing watching him. David Price, you are a classy man, even on Twitter. He set his glove down on the mound and walked into the dugout and let Derek Jeter have his moment. That was awesome. He even came out of the dugout to be part of the standing ovation from the Rays players.

[RickD]

The whole Rays org was classy, standing on the side of the field and applauding....the 1st baseman tipped his cap as Jeter ran by on his HR trot.

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All-Time Yankee Hits Leaders

Rank | Player | Hits | PA
1. | Derek Jeter | 3000 | 10860
2. | Lou Gehrig | 2721 | 9660
3. | Babe Ruth | 2518 | 9198
4. | Mickey Mantle | 2415 | 9909
5. | Bernie Williams | 2336 | 9053
6. | Joe DiMaggio | 2214 | 7671
7. | Don Mattingly | 2153 | 7721
8. | Yogi Berra | 2148 | 8355
9. | Bill Dickey | 1969 | 7060
10. | Earle Combs | 1866 | 6507

[Mudge]

Well done. That's one exclusive group to join.

[Scoobean]

Jeter is now a triple away from hitting for the cycle on this special day. Wouldn't that even be more incredible?

[yankeebiscuitfan]

I care more about the win. But hey, he did it in style with this solo shot.

[Scoobean]

I care more about the win. But hey, he did it in style with this solo shot.He probably cares more about the win to.

[Mattrd26]

Cograts Jeter!

[Scoobean]

A 4-4 day so far for Jeter. I'd say that was taking 3,000 by storm.

[yankeebiscuitfan]

Well, only 997 to reach 4000.

[Scoobean]

Well, only 997 to reach 4000. Great game to watch. I don't think he will reach 4,000 haha.

[RickD]

5 for 5! First Yankee to do that in the New Yankee Stadium....He is now at 3,003 and sole owner of 27th place!

[yankeebiscuitfan]

http://a1.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/268346_1419666708579_1740013415_642390_4048479_n.j pg

Here's THE moment.

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And David Price, probably a baseball star in the making, is part of this piece of history by giving up the 3000th hit.

[Vertigo O]

An awesome accomplishment for sure. Love him or hate him, you have to respect him.

[Old Sweater]

Even if you don't care for him, you got to like what he has done for the game.

[Scoobean]

He has to be the most classy player the Yankees have.

[RickD]

Games to 3,000
Player | Games
Ty Cobb | 2,135
Nap Lajoie | 2,224
Tony Gwynn | 2,284
Stan Musial | 2,301
Honus Wagner | 2,332
Tris Speaker | 2,341
Derek Jeter | 2,362
Pete Rose | 2,370
Paul Molitor | 2,411
Rod Carew | 2,417

Here's a bit about the guy who caught the ball:


Christian Lopez, who caught Derek Jeter's 3,000th hit hardly hesitated before offering the ball back to New York's captain and forgoing any opportunity to turn what likely would have been a large profit. "Money's cool and all, but I'm only 23 years old and I have a lot of time to make that," Lopez said following Saturday's game. "It's his accomplishment; it's a milestone. Only 27 other people have done this. It's not an everyday thing."

After catching the ball, Lopez, a former defensive tackle at St. Lawrence University, held it high for an instant before thinking better and tucking it under his body. His father dove on top for extra protection, and security soon came to whisk the fan away.

As soon as Lopez made his way out of the stands, the negotiations didn't take long. When asked what he wanted, Lopez said he'd like to meet Jeter and that "a few signed balls would be nice." The Yankees obliged with three signed bats, three signed balls and two signed jerseys. They also gave him four front-row Legends seats for Sunday's game and four Champions Suite tickets for the remainder of the season, including the playoffs, should the Yankees advance.

He only asked for a few signed balls and they gave him a nice bonus, eh!

I think a ball/jersey signed by Jeter and a team signed ball would have satisfied me....

Of course now you can buy the DJ3K swag:

http://newyork.yankees.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20110709&content_id=21648930&vkey=news_nyy&c_id=nyy

At-bats to 3,000
Player | At-bats
Ty Cobb | 8,093
Tris Speaker | 8,625
Nap Lajoie | 8,630
Stan Musial | 8,774
Honus Wagner | 8,801
Rod Carew | 9,101
Wade Boggs | 9,151
Roberto Clemente | 9,454
Hank Aaron | 9,566
Derek Jeter | 9,604
Pete Rose | 9,690

Jeter's ranks in the 3000 club

Home runs
Rank | Player | #
1. | Hank Aaron | 755
2. | Willie Mays | 660
11. | Rickey Henderson | 297
12. | Craig Biggio | 291
13. | Robin Yount | 251
14. | Roberto Clemente | 240
15. | Derek Jeter | 237

Runs
Rank | Player | #
1. | Rickey Henderson | 2,295
2. | Ty Cobb | 2,245
10. | Carl Yastrzemski | 1,816
11. | Paul Molitor | 1,782
12. | Honus Wagner | 1,736
13. | Derek Jeter | 1,726

[astrosfanatic]

its kinda funny that he did it going 5 for 5. reminds me of when Biggio went like 4 for 5 to get his. just had a big night to get over the hump. Congrats to him

[astrosfanatic]

I'm curious as to how close to 100% Jeter will get for the HoF.

He has played with A-Rod, Clemens, and Pettitte ;)

[RickD]

I wonder, now with the pressure behind him, if he will settle into a groove and start hitting again!

[Buccos13]

I was about to post the story about the guy who caught it...but Rick beat me to it :p

Good stuff, good stuff.

[WingsOfSteel]

Heh, nice guy. I would've held that ball for ransom until I got a hoverboard and 20 bajillion dollars.

[yankeebiscuitfan]

I wonder, now with the pressure behind him, if he will settle into a groove and start hitting again!
If his 5 for 5 was an omen, we can expect something nice.

[Mudge]

I'm curious as to how close to 100% Jeter will get for the HoF.
My guess is that some writer, perhaps from Pittsburgh or Kansas City will discount all of the Yankee hype (Mr. Yankee, Yankee records, etc) on the assumption that if Jeter had come up with their hometown teams, he'd have left town as soon as he was able to do so. Whether that's true is anyone's guess, but the writers tend to be a rather churlish and mercurial bunch, and there are far greater players than Jeter who never managed the 100%. I would have to say no.

[Scoobean]

Berra
Jeter
Ruth
Dimaggio
Gehrig
Mantle

With this list you would have to give a lot of weight to position played, and intangibles before Jeter could overcome the bats of the others. Mantle was great, but still has the 'what if' factor to consider, while the others were probably the best they could be. Mantle's 5 year peak is something to consider when you compare him to Ruth, since the league average player, to superstar gap. had closed, compared to Ruths time frame. If I remember right, the league average player to superstar gap, closes at about 1% a year.With the 5 other Yankees player you listed I would rank Jeter at #5 only ahead of Berra.

[RickD]

The key numbers on Derek Jeter's 3,000th hit Saturday:

First New York Yankee to reach 3,000 hits.
First player to reach 3,000 hits since Craig Biggio of Houston Astros in 2007. Second player (Biggio was the first) to reach milestone with five-hit game.
First player to get 3,000th at new or old Yankee Stadium.
Second player after Wade Boggs to hit home run for 3,000th hit.
Fourth-youngest player to reach 3,000 hits after Ty Cobb, Hank Aaron and Robin Yount.
Eleventh member of 3,000-hit club to record all their hits with one club.
Twenty-eighth player in MLB history to reach or surpass 3,000 hits.
Active hits leader with 3,003
Passed Roberto Clemente (3,000) for 27th place on all-time list. Only four hits behind No. 26 Al Kaline.

Here are how people around the league and former players responded to 3,000:

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/baseball/al/2011-07-09-824564201_x.htm

[The National Limited]

He has to be the most classy player the Yankees have.

One of the classiest ever, period!

[Buccos13]

http://espn.go.com/new-york/mlb/story/_/id/6761243/report-new-york-yankees-derek-jeter-criticized-skipping-all-star-festivities

An anonymous MLB official said, "Derek Jeter has done everything right during his whole career. He was wrong on this one." The same official said that the MLB wanted to celebrate his accomplishment at the All-Star game and isn't happy that he's not there.

From Mets OF Carlos Beltran: "I do believe, as a ballplayer, if you have no injuries, you should be here. The fans are the ones that vote for you and want to see you here."

Jeter skipped the All-Star game and its festivities because of "emotional and physical exhaustion" from his pursuit of #3,000.

Thoughts?

My one comment is, did Cal Ripken take a few days off because of "emotional exhaustment?"

[yankeebiscuitfan]

I also think that he should have attended the All Star Game. IMO he should not have played, just attending. But that is HIS decision. If he claims he is exhausted, I believe him. He played almost every inning after his return from the DL. I can imagine that he did not want to take a risk getting injured again.

[Mudge]

Just one more reason why I would have kept the ball and sold it to the highest bidder.

[yankeebiscuitfan]

Just one more reason why I would have kept the ball and sold it to the highest bidder.

This (http://www.nydailynews.com/ny_local/2011/07/12/2011-07-12_christian_lopez_fan_who_handed_over_derek_jeter s_historic_3000thhit_ball_will_ow.html) may have been another reason to sell the ball.

You think your doing the right thing, then you get this...

[JoshRedcay]

Yeah, the fans want to see you there if they voted for you. And seriously, it's only like one or two at-bats that you get in the All-Star game, I think he should definitely be there. If you aren't injured, you should be there.

[The National Limited]

I don't really care if he played in the AS game or not, because I think AS games are a waste of time. I am just interested in the season and the World Series. I could care less about All Star games for the most part.

[yankeebiscuitfan]

Yeah, the fans want to see you there if they voted for you. And seriously, it's only like one or two at-bats that you get in the All-Star game, I think he should definitely be there. If you aren't injured, you should be there.

He has been there all the years he was voted in. Is this one year he doesn't appear really such a big deal?

[Mudge]

I don't really care if he played in the AS game or not, because I think AS games are a waste of time. I am just interested in the season and the World Series. I could care less about All Star games for the most part.
I couldn't agree with you more about the All-Star Game, and that's our right as fans.

But the players buy into an enterprise that is fundamentally an entertainment system, and they appear more than happy to get rewarded -- in some cases quite handsomely -- by that system. In my book, therefore, they have a fiduciary obligation to do their part whenever possible for those fans, unlike us perhaps, who care about such events.

In short, Derek Jeter, like all professional baseball players, is an entertainer who owes his vast fortune to his entertainment value. He should live up to it or opt out.


He has been there all the years he was voted in. Is this one year he doesn't appear really such a big deal?
Absolutely.

[RickD]

You know the guy has had a lousy season by his standards and just came off an injury. I'd skip it as well.

[Mudge]

You know the guy has had a lousy season by his standards and just came off an injury. I'd skip it as well.
I'm surprised at your response, Rick.

Really, I am.

Here we've spent an enormous amount of ink how how this guy is Mr. Yankee and Mr. Baseball and Mr. Give-it-his-all-especially-for-the-great-fans...so on, ad nauseum, and now you excuse him from this after he's is back and allegedly healthy from his 15-day rest on the DL (okay, I admit, maybe that was a low blow -- but still).

History, Honor, Integrity?

[The National Limited]

Why can't MLB just order him to play then? Fine him or something if he refuses.

[RickD]

The guy HAS just come off an injury. I would excuse him from a Yankees Legends event as well.

He is NOT Cal Ripken, who would have only missed due to death! He is a normal player with aches, pains, frustrations and probably could use a rest.

[BrewCrewFan]

Braun is hurt, but he is in Arizona supporting his teammates, why can't Jeter? He doesn't have to play, but at LEAST show up and support your teammates.

[Mudge]

Braun is hurt, but he is in Arizona supporting his teammates, why can't Jeter? He doesn't have to play, but at LEAST show up and support your teammates.

Great point!


The guy HAS just come off an injury. I would excuse him from a Yankees Legends event as well.

He is NOT Cal Ripken, who would have only missed due to death! He is a normal player with aches, pains, frustrations and probably could use a rest.

So right. Ripken was truly Mr. Baseball.

And think about all the Yankees fans who have retired to Arizona who might have wanted their (probably well-deserved, given they probably had to live much of their lives in New York themselves) opportunity to cheer him. Jeter pretty much stuck it to them. He has definitely come down many notches in my book.

[RickD]

Wait aren't you the guy whop argued against the all-star game anyway? Why does it matter if he shows?

[Mudge]

Wait aren't you the guy whop argued against the all-star game anyway? Why does it matter if he shows?

Absolutely. I am the guy you mention, but my intellectual disdain for the All Star Game does not eliminate my ability to empathize with so many other fans who do love the Game, many of whom voted Jeter in. I grant those fans their passion, even if I do not share it. And he if he is unable to empathize with those fans, especially at this time in his career, at least Jeter should respect their passion.

[BrewCrewFan]

Braun's comments about the ASG:

Phoenix - Brewers leftfielder Ryan Braun won't be playing in the All-Star Game tonight as he continues to recover from a calf injury but he just told me he's glad he came here.

"It’s awesome," said Braun. "It’s a tremendous honor. You never know when you’ll get another chance to come back so you try to embrace and enjoy all of it. Just to be a part of this special event is worth it."

Braun is taking batting practice again today and said he is progressing well. He still expects to be in the lineup Thursday night in Colorado when the Brewers being the second half.

"I feel good," he said. "I expect to play Thursday. I’ll find out when I get there. I don’t make those decisions. All I can do is do everything in my power to get healthy, which I’ve been doing with the help of (Brewers assistant trainer) Dan Wright. I’ll get there and see what they say."

Braun said the key to returning to full health and playing a productive role with the Brewers is being honest about how he feels.

"Ultimately, my input is everything, as long as I’m honest with them," he said. "They understand the danger of trying to play through this thing before I’m ready to. So it’s important for me to be honest with them, tell them when I feel it, how much I feel it and making sure I’m able to get on the field safely.

"I’ve said all along that my top priority is to the Brewers and getting healthy for the second half and staying healthy and contributing to winning baseball. If I were to lie to them and said I could have played four or five days ago, it could have been something that lasted a month and a half instead of a week and a half."

Braun said he will fly back to Los Angeles after the game tonight, then go to Colorado late Wednesday to rejoin the club.



This is how players should treat the ASG. You never know when you will get the chance to be voted in again etc, and just make the most out of it and have fun.

I wish more players would think like this.

[Buccos13]

Here's my thinking on this. The fans voted you into the All-Star game so that they could see you play with the best of the best. If you are healthy and you decline this offer, like Derek Jeter did, it's almost as if you are giving the fans a big fat middle finger.

[munson15ny]

I don't really care if he played in the AS game or not, because I think AS games are a waste of time. I am just interested in the season and the World Series. I could care less about All Star games for the most part.

I agree.......bottom line is was his decision.....the all bore game would be a lot better if they get rid of fox and the dork duo who I had muted all night....... :headache:

[munson15ny]

Congrats Derek.....2cd player to do it.......

[munson15ny]

Gehrig
Mantle
Ruth
Berra
Dimaggio
Jeter
Mattingly
Munson

IMO Longevity does not make you the best player on a team. Lou career cut short. I would love to see what
would have happened if Mickey had took care of himself. Derek is a favorite but not the best ever.

[astrosfanatic]

ugh....i had a long post set out for this and i just deleted it b/c of the damn re-post bull* that is still happening. i will summarize i guess:

1- Jeter sucks and his true character is shown in a move like this

2- Bud Selig sucks for sticking his nose halfway up Jeter's :moon:

3- I am getting tired of having my posts re-peated and deleted because of whatever

[Mudge]

ugh....i had a long post set out for this and i just deleted it b/c of the damn re-post bull* that is still happening. i will summarize i guess:

1- Jeter sucks and his true character is shown in a move like this

2- Bud Selig sucks for sticking his nose halfway up Jeter's :moon:

3- I am getting tired of having my posts re-peated and deleted because of whatever

Agreed on the last two accounts! As for number 1, Jeter pulled a boner on this one (where the hell was that omnipotent Yankee PR machine -- asleep at the wheel, gentlemen). He's still okay, but a little smudged.

[Old Sweater]

After Jeter missed all that time with the calf injury, I'm happy he was smart enough to sit this one out. Beckett should have done the same after slipping on the mound. Also, if this is the best stab that fans can take at Jeter, I'm all the more happier.:)

[astrosfanatic]

Agreed on the last two accounts! As for number 1, Jeter pulled a boner on this one (where the hell was that omnipotent Yankee PR machine -- asleep at the wheel, gentlemen). He's still okay, but a little smudged.

my original post was not as harsh as the cliff notes version. He is still a great player, and he normally goes by the book, but he slipped on this one. I just get tired of athletes slapping the fans in the face. I thought he wouldnt, and he did.

[Old Sweater]

I guess if I was one of those fans that voted for Jeter 1,298 times, I would be more disappointed.

[RickD]

Derek Price will make some money on this now as he hawks "I gave up DJ 3K" balls.

http://content.usatoday.com/communities/gameon/post/2011/07/rays-pitcher-david-price-to-sell-i-gave-up-dj-3k-balls-derek-jeter-new-york-yankees-tampa-bay-rays-new-york-yankees-christian-lopez/1

[The National Limited]

I don't think the individuals can be compared to each other because of the different eras. Jeter is the greatest Yankee of the current era. The styles, bats, baseballs, etc are all different in the periods all these men played.

For Ruth to power shots out of the park during a deadball era for example is phenomenal. He began doing it when nobody else was, and also held the World Series record for scoreless innings pitched until recently.

For me, Ruth is the greatest Yankee and stands above the others. The rest are all very close to each other for who should be next on the list, but the different eras have to factored in, like adding the dh to the mix. The dh changed the strategy somewhat.

[capz1990]

Greatest yankee ever?.... can't choose there's juss too many great players who all won champpionships and performed excellently... I will say this... jeter is the best yankee I've seen in my short life.....

[RickD]

Derek Jeter was not having a good season before going on the DL. His chase for 3,000 was put on hold as he struggled through injury and poor performance. He went 0-4 right before getting injured.

Since coming back he has been performing really well. He has seen all of his numbers rise. His BA has gone up .34 points and he is performing way better than in 2010.

So what happened?

He went back to the past:

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20110822&content_id=23575758&vkey=news_mlb&c_id=mlb

He looked up his old pro manager, Gary Denbo who worked with him on getting back to what he did best at the plate.

It worked!

If I was Kevin Long, I'd be consulting Denbo about now!

[WilsonC]

I've often thought about this topic. While there might be some hitting coaches who can be effective with a wide range of hitters, or pitching coaches who can work with just about anyone, it makes sense that some coaches would be better suited to working with certain types of players. With that in mind, why don't we see more players hiring coaches as private consultants, or even teams hiring additional coaches to work with different players?

It's impossible to isolate coaching, but I've wondered about this with the Jays. Bautista, for example, has flourished under Murphy, but Hill, on the other hand, has fallen off a cliff. How much of that has to do with compatability with the coach? How many players who get labeled AAAA struggle because of a failure to adapt to a coaching style, rather than a failure to adapt to better competition?

Something to think about.

[RickD]

Well I am sure some teams are capped as far as how many coaches they can afford.

The problem as I see it is:

1. Cost - as mentioned teams may not want to fork out the extra dough.
2. Who is the player listening to, the guy paid to coach him or the guy he hired to help him. I think some teams would not be impressed if a player was getting his advice from someone not on the payroll.
3. How do you make sure the guy the player hired is on the up and up?

Having said that, I am sure there is a vetting process they could use in these situations. In addition, maybe they can limit it to guys with 10 years in the league or so before they hire their own "guru"

I don't know. It worked for Jeter!

[yankeebiscuitfan]

I don't know. It worked for Jeter!

That isn't a guarantee that it will work with others of course. But IMO it is worth considering to hire the guy for next season.

[thefivepointfivehole]

Coaches play almost, if not more, as important role as the manager. You're right though. Hitting coaches do not fit each style. I think pitching coaches do to a larger degree, but there are so many approaches to hitting, one coach may not be enough.

[WilsonC]

I think the future of coaching will be more of a private consultant type of thing rather than a team-based thing. Teams will still have hitting coaches, but if you think about it, what makes more sense:

a. for a coach who specializes in the mechanics for a pull hitter to have a couple dozen students with similar hitting styles and learning styles, with a strong knowledge of each student's swing (often working with players throughout their entire careers), or

b. a single team coach who tries to adjust to the hitting styles of vastly different hitters, trying to maintain a working knowledge of numerous types of hitting mechanics, and trying to quickly learn the swings of each new hitter the team adds (often mid-season, which may mean the coach needs to start working with a hitter before intimately understanding his swing).

Even if there's only one team-employed generalist hitting coach, imagine the benefits of that coach being able to call an independent mentor of a newly acquired player in order to get a full report on the finer details of how that player's swing works, with the ability to call on the services of that consultant when a player's mechanics falter? It seems that more continuity of coaching could be a real benefit to some players.

[Old Sweater]

Who knows? With all the video out there nowdays it seems like a player, himself, would figure out what he is doing wrong.

[RickD]

I can see teams eventually hiring more than one hitting coach, for that matter let's throw pitching coaches in there too!

I don't see teams ever agreeing to a private consultant, player hired, private tutor situation.

Tony Gwynn used to watch video footage of himself and adjust accordingly but sometimes it is hard for a person to see their own flaws.

[RickD]

On Sunday, Jeter's batting line since his return entering play Monday stood at .346/.396/.471, and he went 1-for-5 with a double and a run scored in the Yanks' 11-10 win over Baltimore.

[Mex86]

He also broke up with Minka Kelly, his long-time girlfriend - I'm inclined to believe that may have freed him up to focus on hitting again.

As a local newspaper reported, Jeter is approaching another milestone - 3,000 splits. ;)

[RickD]

LOL...he has had his share of those too!

[RickD]

What a difference a year makes. Once people said he was done. Then he came back after his injury a new man and went on a hitting bonanza.

Now, batting .378, hitting lead-off, he led off the bottom of the first inning Monday night with a home run to right field.

Here's the breakdown of all the balls Jeter has put in play this season, excluding his one sacrifice bunt:




Groundballs: 12 to the left side, four up the middle,10 to the right side. That's right in line with last season.
Line drives and fly balls to the outfield: One to left, four to center, 11 to right. That's more like when things weren't going well last season.

[Old Sweater]

Yeah, they are quick to drive a nail in an older players coffin. Jeter has hit something like .347 since last July. I think that is what Sterling said the last 2 games. He'll probably repeat himself during this game.

[RickD]

Starting with Jeter's 3,000th career hit last July, the start of a five-hit day, he's batting .344 with seven home runs and 46 RBI. That's 75 games. And over the Yankees' past 162 games, of which Jeter played 123, he's batting .307 (170-for-553) with nine homers and 65 RBI.

[daddies4angels]

He still a good hitter but also his homepark helps. he uses the lines very well in that park

[RickD]

He still a good hitter but also his homepark helps. he uses the lines very well in that park


It's called playing smart and jeter has done it his whole career. He took his talents and skills and worked hard to get to the level he is at.

[Old Sweater]

He still a good hitter but also his homepark helps. he uses the lines very well in that park

That holds true for a lot of players.

Jeter's home/away career slash lines ain't that bad.

Home-.320/.394/.465/.859
Away-.306/.373/.435/.808

[RickD]

Jeter collected hit No. 3,111 with a second-inning infield single off Red Sox starter Clay Buchholz. This moved him into 18th on the All-Time list and one ahead of his boyhood idol Dave Winfield.

[EnterSandman]

He's been a monster so far. .373/.387/.644/166 OPS+

[RickD]

Yeah, Jeter always seems to dip into the well and pull out a miracle when his skills start to fade. He reinvents himself repeatedly.

[EnterSandman]

Yup. Hitting in front of Granderson helps, too :)

[soberdennis]

All these excuses people are using to try to explain Jeter's resurgence are nonsense. Sure, those things don't hurt. But face it, he has found a second wind on his career and had an incredible April. I just hope he continues.

[RickD]

Batting .390 after the first hit in the game today! Jeter continues to re-invent himself, focusing on how to improve his game every year.

[Old Sweater]

Here is something I found interesting. John & Suzy just said that Jeter is the first Yankees player to get 50 hits in the first 30 games of the season.

With all the great players the Yankees have had, that is quite the accomplishment.

Betcha all the Jeter haters, hate putting that in their pipe and smoking it.:)

[DaaBoTownSox]

He just seems to get better the older he gets.

[Old Sweater]

With 2 hits last night, Derek Jeter is now tied with Tony Gwynn for 18th all-time in career hits (3,141)

http://www.baseball-reference.com/leaders/H_career.shtml

Rank Player (yrs, age) Hits Bats
1. Pete Rose (24) 4256 B
2. Ty Cobb+ (24) 4189 L
3. Hank Aaron+ (23) 3771 R
4. Stan Musial+ (22) 3630 L
5. Tris Speaker+ (22) 3514 L
6. Cap Anson+ (27) 3435 R
7. Honus Wagner+ (21) 3420 R
8. Carl Yastrzemski+ (23) 3419 L
9. Paul Molitor+ (21) 3319 R
10. Eddie Collins+ (25) 3315 L
11. Willie Mays+ (22) 3283 R
12. Eddie Murray+ (21) 3255 B
13. Nap Lajoie+ (21) 3242 R
14. Cal Ripken+ (21) 3184 R
15. George Brett+ (21) 3154 L
16. Paul Waner+ (20) 3152 L
17. Robin Yount+ (20) 3142 R
18. Tony Gwynn+ (20) 3141 L
Derek Jeter (18, 38) 3141 R

[RickD]

The way Jeter is currently playing, he could conceivably, though highly unlikely, reach Rose's hits record.

[yankeebiscuitfan]

Derek Jeter tied George Brett on the all-time hits list with 3,154 career hits.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dvxJoMT3xD0&feature=plcp

[RickD]

Nice. I will be very sad when his career is done.

[EnterSandman]

Rank Player (yrs, age) Hits Bats
1. Pete Rose (24) 4256 B
2. Ty Cobb+ (24) 4189 L
3. Hank Aaron+ (23) 3771 R
4. Stan Musial+ (22) 3630 L
5. Tris Speaker+ (22) 3514 L
6. Cap Anson+ (27) 3435 R
7. Honus Wagner+ (21) 3420 R
8. Carl Yastrzemski+ (23) 3419 L
9. Paul Molitor+ (21) 3319 R
10. Eddie Collins+ (25) 3315 L
11. Willie Mays+ (22) 3283 R
12. Eddie Murray+ (21) 3255 B
13. Nap Lajoie+ (21) 3242 R
14. Cal Ripken+ (21) 3184 R
15. George Brett+ (21) 3154 L
Derek Jeter (18, 38) 3154 R
17. Paul Waner+ (20) 3152 L
18. Robin Yount+ (20) 3142 R
19. Tony Gwynn+ (20) 3141 L


Updated OS' table

[yankeebiscuitfan]

Well, Jeter is now in sole posession of 15th place.

[drew108stitches]

Next up for El Capitan is Cal Ripken Jr.

[Old Sweater]

NEW YORK (AP) - Derek Jeter hit a leadoff double in the first inning Friday night for his 3,185th hit, moving past Cal Ripken Jr. for 13th place on the career list.

The 38-year-old Jeter grew up watching the former Baltimore shortstop and has often been likened to the Hall of Famer, playing the same position and spending his entire time with one team.

Right after the milestone hit against the Chicago White Sox, the New York Yankees released a statement from Ripken congratulating Jeter.

"I hope that he continues to play and continues to give all of us baseball fans great memories,'' Ripken said.

Next up for Jeter on the hit list is Nap Lajoie at 3,252.



Another step of greatness for the ultimate Pro!

[RickD]

You know if Derek plays like he is now, he might be able to stick around a few more years and move up the list even more. Will he overtake Pete Rose? Probably not.

[Old Sweater]

Derek Jeter hit career homer #250 tonight and against the Red Sox of all teams. I agree with John Sterling, that is a lot of homers for a guy who ain't considered a HR hitter.

[RickD]

Jeter is having an awesome season:

Jeter leads the American League in hits, with 159. He is #13 on the all-time hits list and should be at 12 in no time.

[Old Sweater]

He also took a clean lead over Melky Cabrera in total hits tonight with that HR. He now has 160.

[DaaBoTownSox]

I don't know how many of you watch Espn's First Take, but apparently Skip Bayless accused Jeter of using PED's.

Jeter, of course, has laughed off the accusation.

[RickD]

Bayless is an idiot.

Jeter has never bulked up dramatically. His numbers are not outside of his career avg, they are just better than the last few years.

[Old Sweater]

With his 2 hits today Derek Jeter now has 191. Already a record for SS's age 38 or over.

[RickD]

Leading the Majors and just getting better with age!

[Old Sweater]

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/jeter-ties-mays-yankees-beat-023420006--mlb.html

Jeter's 3,283rd hit put alongside Mays.

Jeter was 0 for 3 then blooped the single to center field. With 19 games left, he has a chance to move into ninth place. He is 30 behind Eddie Collins' 3,313.

Say Hey, Say Hey! Sore ankle and all!

Captain Jeter, he da Man, Hero of the Yankees!

[RickD]

Comeback player of the year here!

[RickD]

When asked by ESPN's Rick Reilly if Jeter, in the wake of Peyton Manning moving from the Indianapolis Colts to the Denver Broncos, could envision himself in another uniform, Jeter replied, "Well, if I wanted to keep playing, yeah. It's a business. People forget that."

[yankeebiscuitfan]

With his basehit in the bottom of the sixth, Jeter has a 15 game hitting streak.

[RickD]

Can't imagine Jeter in any other uniform!

[Old Sweater]

When asked by ESPN's Rick Reilly if Jeter, in the wake of Peyton Manning moving from the Indianapolis Colts to the Denver Broncos, could envision himself in another uniform, Jeter replied, "Well, if I wanted to keep playing, yeah. It's a business. People forget that."

Yeah, fans do forget it's a business but business is based on demand and it would be crazy for the Yankees to part with Jeter, in a town where he is like a super icon. Another team might take a loss if they payed Jeter a high salary, no worries about that in NY.

[WilsonC]

Can't imagine Jeter in any other uniform!

Here's a little something to help your imagination!


http://www.newsday.com/sports/baseball/yankees/derek-jeter-in-all-30-mlb-uniforms-1.2507471#6 (http://www.newsday.com/sports/baseball/yankees/derek-jeter-in-all-30-mlb-uniforms-1.2507471#6)

[Old Sweater]

Jeter looks odd with different colored and hairy arms to go along with bobblehead sized noggin.:)

[RickD]

Here's a little something to help your imagination!


http://www.newsday.com/sports/baseball/yankees/derek-jeter-in-all-30-mlb-uniforms-1.2507471#6 (http://www.newsday.com/sports/baseball/yankees/derek-jeter-in-all-30-mlb-uniforms-1.2507471#6)

Thanks, now I am permanently scarred!

[WilsonC]

Thanks, now I am permanently scarred!

Happy to help ;) Show, don't tell!

[yankeebiscuitfan]

With his single in the ninth inning, Jeter extended his hitting streak to eightteen games. Only thirtyeight shy of Joltin' Joe's record. :wave:

[Old Sweater]

*BUMP* :)

http://www.baseball-reference.com/friv/milestones.cgi

Derek Jeter with 3,304 hits needs 132 hits this season to take over the 6 spot(3,436) from Cap Anson and needs 211 hits to replace Tris Speaker at the 5 spot(3,515) Jeter is currently at the 11 spot.

[RickD]

Depending on how long it takes him to play after this ankle thing, I can see him getting the 132 but 211 might be a push.